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From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 06:11:44 -0400
To: bdi@wh*.ne*
CC: Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: Sick of bullshit artists
Billy, we all know full well that the very fist post by Grant tells
exactly what organization he represents. The only one who reacted so
violently to my bullseye on Rob Palmer's deep air demise.

The part that Grant does not get is that when atrocities of
irresponsible stupidity are performed by divers in the spotlight,
whether they be high profile like Palmer deep air diving, local legends
like the trash collectors in New England exercising dangerous stupidity
, dive boat captains without the guts to enforce any common sense on
their boats , boat crews who know it all, instructors ( an oxymoron in
most cases) , or others in a position to influence diver behavior ,
somebody with the creditials to back up their case needs to step up and
point out how freaking stupid all of this is. 

I'll take that job, since I have the credentials that none of these
strokes can argue with, I could care less what they think of me, they do
not need to be my friends or pals, I am not in the business, have
nothing to gain or lose from them, and will not back down from any of
these jerks, as evidenced by their very best efforts to attack me on
every front.

Right is right, and these guys are wrong, and the Grants out there start
out thinking they are right and well supporting in public opinion due to
the crap they are fed by the practicing strokes ,and then try to slither
out of the spotlight of abject stupidity as the truth dawns on them.

The fact is that my willingness to put it on the line is what has made
the changes happen.


bdi@wh*.ne* wrote:
> 
> Grant Jones wrote:
> 
> >> I joined this list to find out about dir and other
> >> technical stuff...
> 
> >> If I want a *show*, then Id go to the circus, I thought
> >> I might learn a bit about diving on this list...
> 
> >> Thats the whole reason I signed on to this list, to learn...
> 
> Who are you kidding, Grant? Your very first post to the
> list was a big rave about manners:
> 
> ">> You are a very sad and sick little man, people die and all
> >> you can do is crow over the fact that it didn't happen to
> >> your little gang - and yet people look up to you (it could
> >> only happen in the states, I suppose), surly you should be
> >> setting some sort of standard instead...
> >>
> >>     Grant"
> 
> Then you got into a stoush with Lawrence who pointed out
> your opinions don't represent the majority of English
> divers:
> 
> ">> Do they give you lessons in name calling, or do you get a
> >> little book with it all wrote down in?  or is it to impress
> >> kivine? (I noticed you Cc this to him)?"
> 
> And you haven't stopped pissing and moaning since.
> 
> Grant, far from trying to "find out about DIR" and "learn
> about diving" , you've actually been trying to prevent
> others from doing just that.
> 
> You, are, by the evidence of your own words, full of shit,
> son. That's a dangerous trait in an instructor.
> 
> Which organisation accredited you? They now need to issue
> a warning.
> 
> rgds billyw
> 
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