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From: <bdi@wh*.ne*>
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:57:00
To: "techdiver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: Sick of GRants
At 08:18 PM 18/8/99 +0100, Grant Jones wrote:
>billy wrote:
>
>>Don't dick me. It never happened. And if anything like
>>it did, I'd ignore it and move to the part of the message
>>that told me "why he died...."
>
>    But many of don't get that far.........

Then you're a bunch of pansies. Did you think you paid your 
money and it came on a plate? You bleeding hearts will just
have to try a bit fucking harder. You know, put in some
effort. This isn't resort diving, this is technical diving.




>>That's absolute bullshit. All YOU see is mud flinging and
>>slagging. But there's a lot more than that going on in these
>>lists. It depends where you choose focus. You can look the
>>dust on the venetian blinds or the view through them.
>
>    If theres too much dust, then you can't see, no matter how hard you look

Or if, as in your case, Grant, you keep your eyes screwed 
shut and your fingers in your ears.




>>Because the "other *agencies*, or groups" as you put it,
>>are often part of the problem. Some of them actually cause
>>deaths.
>
>    So, why not try to educate them or their students, if a new diver knew
>of a safer way of diving, would he / she then go to the place that  didn't
>teach it - I don't think so.

No, you don't THINK. Period. If you did, you wouldn't waste
our time with such illogical bollocks.



>    But imagine a student turning up at that agency and saying "I've heard
>about this dir thing, can you teach it to me?", if enough people said it,
>then the agency would have to embrace it or lose students, a win win
>situation, more people dir and less people die.

In your little fantasy you expect entirely too much of
students. Problem is, most technical instructors are
total strokes. So even if they did turn up and ask for
DIR, the chances are they'd get taught the usual bullshit.
Strokes are persuasive. Look at Rob Parker and Rob Palmer. 
Dead by Association.




>>That's exactly why the case for safety has to be so loudly,
>>forcefully and sometimes, brutally, put.
>
>    I agree, but thats diffrent from childish insults, is it not?

Grant, which do you find more insulting...

a) I tell you you're a great guy while I sell you a set of bungy 
wings that *I* know (and you don't) have been implicated in several 
diving deaths, or

b) I tell you you're a long-stroke, dipshit wanker if you dive
and recommend bungy wings that let go the OP valve before they 
inflate fully and have been implicated in at least three deaths.


rgds    billyw



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