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From: "Chris Werner" <clw5232@ga*.ac*.fs*.ed*>
To: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>, <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Cc: <wwm@sa*.ne*>
Subject: Re: Doria Deaths - Let's dive some air
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:40:42 -0400
George, these guys are hiding the truth from us. The reason you ask: It
seems to me that this guy died from some of the most horrific stupidity that
we preach against. These guys know it and are not reporting the facts as to
save the ear beating. They know we will hammer them over this again and
again. You think they would learn something from us, but the 'been there did
that' doesn't seem to get through.
    How many more have to die before you 'tech divers' all wise up?

Chris

----- Original Message -----
From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Cc: <wwm@sa*.ne*>
Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 11:32 AM
Subject: Doria Deaths - Let's dive some air


> JT, et al, let's get back to your recent Doria recovery. You all keep
> skipping the fact that this guy had an air bottle ponied between his
> doubles. Forgetting that this is too stupid for anyone but Christina
> Young, who has this cluster on her web site in living color, maybe we
> need to look a litle closer at just how this probably came into play.
>
>   The guy was diving mix, right? Well, I have noticed that the farm
> animals tend to tell people to use a "travel gas" from the surface,
> rather than just drop down. Is there a chance that our boy did this with
> his air pony and then effectively was diving air at depth when he had
> his "problem"? Even when you switch to mix, it takes a couple of minutes
> to take effect, meaning that even if he switched back before he hit
> depth, he was still being effected. If one really has to do this, one
> needs to do it with another trimix,and then hold position for two
> minutes before continuing the decent, but that still should not be
> ponied between the back tanks with the regs everywhere.
>
>   Come on JT, what do you think? I realize that this is so stupid as to
> be criminal, but I think it happened.  How much gas ( air ) was left in
> the pony, guys? Can you tell us that?
>
>   By the way, the concept of a pony is a vestigal throwback to the days
> of single port manifolds, where a pony was indeed a necessity. However,
> as of about 1971, when the Benjamin ( dual port) manifold was created,
> this became nonsense, and become totally useless when the isolator was
> added to the dual port manifold. Only the worst boat monkee fails to
> understand this.
>
>   Then to put air in the pony is too much. Then to not know what
> happened, and to report the accident while leaving out the most
> important information, is why you guys keep having accidents.
>
>   JT, are we going to stick with the bullshit, or are we going to start
> learning something. Your call - make your move, tell us what really
> happened. Where was the pony reg ( and what as the reg config) when you
> recoved the body, and how much gas (air) was left in the pony?
>
>
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