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George- If JT knows the information, or can find it out, he will tell the truth. He is against the pony bottle as much as you are and none of the crew he does serious dives with uses one. As a matter of fact you will most likely get laughed at if you come onto the Miss Lindsey with the "third tit" strapped between your doubles. I do know that those northern diver types do the travel mix stuff and like the ponies, so I would not be surprised if this was a contributing factor to the accident. Jim Sender: kirvine@sa*.ne* Date: 7/16/99 3:59 PM >Jim Cobb, can you get your boy JT to come off of this information. He >was overflowing with "info" about the accident, but managed to avoid >this glaring piece of insanity. > >Maybe also we could get one of the rocket scientist up there to tell us >why ponying a bottle behind your back with the bottle turned on with the >reg over your shoulder mixed in with the other two makes any sense, and >why trying to combine a totally unnecessary bailout, a suit inflation, >and a travel gas all in one where the gas in question, AIR, is not the >right gas for any of those applications, and why it is a good idea to >put a reg on an inflation bottle , why we need a pony with a dual port >manifold, why we need it behind us, why it should be AIR, and why nobody >up there has ever bothered to question any of this nonsense. > >If you guys are doing this, and think it is a good idea, surely you can >get on here and jsutify it. > > >Bill Mee wrote: >> >> JT, >> >> I thought I smelled something funny here and I should have guessed that it >> had the whiff of air. It seemed a bit odd that the only thing which was not >> reported was the gas pressure and the regulator dispositon of the Charlie's >> pony bottle. Naturally, I thought that the idea of an air pony was beyond >> the pale stupid, but when I noticed the photo of this deviant behavior being >> proudly displayed on Christina Youngs website I began to suspect that the >> practice is more widespread than is freely admitted. >> >> After reflecting on the matter, it became clear that the "air pony" was the >> probably the rat in the woodpile. IANTD still endorses the use of air to 50 >> metres, which is the approximate depth of the top of the Doria. I will bet >> that the fear of breathing hypoxic trimix at the surface and the fear of >> breathing an hyperoxic deco gas past it's breathable depth is leading people >> to use air as a travel gas. As George clearly pointed out this is not so >> smart. If one gets into any kind of cluster on the way down, which is >> usually where they occur, then the problem is vastly compounded. >> >> What never ceases to amaze me is that you guys love of the personal >> preference inevitably leads to the institutionalization of a farm animal >> practice. What other little secrets do you guys have in your tank boot? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*> >> To: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >> Cc: wwm@sa*.ne* <wwm@sa*.ne*> >> Date: Monday, August 16, 1999 11:29 AM >> Subject: Doria Deaths - Let's dive some air >> >> >JT, et al, let's get back to your recent Doria recovery. You all keep >> >skipping the fact that this guy had an air bottle ponied between his >> >doubles. Forgetting that this is too stupid for anyone but Christina >> >Young, who has this cluster on her web site in living color, maybe we >> >need to look a litle closer at just how this probably came into play. >> > >> > The guy was diving mix, right? Well, I have noticed that the farm >> >animals tend to tell people to use a "travel gas" from the surface, >> >rather than just drop down. Is there a chance that our boy did this with >> >his air pony and then effectively was diving air at depth when he had >> >his "problem"? Even when you switch to mix, it takes a couple of minutes >> >to take effect, meaning that even if he switched back before he hit >> >depth, he was still being effected. If one really has to do this, one >> >needs to do it with another trimix,and then hold position for two >> >minutes before continuing the decent, but that still should not be >> >ponied between the back tanks with the regs everywhere. >> > >> > Come on JT, what do you think? I realize that this is so stupid as to >> >be criminal, but I think it happened. How much gas ( air ) was left in >> >the pony, guys? Can you tell us that? >> > >> > By the way, the concept of a pony is a vestigal throwback to the days >> >of single port manifolds, where a pony was indeed a necessity. However, >> >as of about 1971, when the Benjamin ( dual port) manifold was created, >> >this became nonsense, and become totally useless when the isolator was >> >added to the dual port manifold. Only the worst boat monkee fails to >> >understand this. >> > >> > Then to put air in the pony is too much. Then to not know what >> >happened, and to report the accident while leaving out the most >> >important information, is why you guys keep having accidents. >> > >> > JT, are we going to stick with the bullshit, or are we going to start >> >learning something. Your call - make your move, tell us what really >> >happened. Where was the pony reg ( and what as the reg config) when you >> >recoved the body, and how much gas (air) was left in the pony? >> > >> > >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/trimix.html -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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