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I am talking about back up lights as a signal at night, you idiot, in
response to the other idiot who says you do not need them. We use our
promaries to dignal at depth . You put out slop and then worry about
"Spell check". Give me a break. Why don't you try reading, and then why
don't you try matching my time on the job ( 75% ocean diving) and then
tell me I do not know what I am talking about rather than teling me the
systems we have worked up need to be changed by your misunderstnading of
what the hell we are talking about.  I dive yaer round for all of my
adult life, and I don't see me watching YOUR tape, reading YOUR stories,
or getting anything from YOU but crap. You grow up and wake up - the
track record of you idiots is abysmal, mine is perfect, yet you have all
the answers and I am an idiot. Think again. 

Gilldiver@ao*.co* wrote:
> 
> Over the last 20 years I have seen the development of "Tech" diving. I saw
> the introduction of alternative gasses, better BC’s, lights, scoters. I saw
> divers gear up only to discover that they got task loaded with it. I saw
> death and near misses lead to DIR. Now is DIR never changing? I hope not, for
> DIR to move on it must change with the development of better and more robust
> equipment, it must change with new knowledge of diving physiology,  and it
> must adapt to the local conditions of the dive.
> 
> Now as for the free theater of the past few days.
> 
> Everybody, GROW UP
> 
> Name calling and personal attack is the last way to do anything. If I need
> bickering I’ll go to work and deal with the union.
> 
> Now  for a few observations:
> 
> Lights
> 
> <<As stated before a canister light is usually unneeded on ocean dive.
AS
> such, no NEED for primary and multiple secondary backup lights. (Bring one if
> you want to as a tool.)
> 
> BULLSHIT  - WHAT AR YOYU GOING TO SIGNAL THE BOAT WITH WHEN YOU GET SEPARATED
> ABOVE WHERE YOU LOST YOUR BOTTOM TIMER????? OTHERWISE, IF YOU ARE GOING IN A
> DARK PLACE, YOU NEED BACKUP LIGHTS. WE ALWAYS TAKE THE SAME RIG NO MATTER
> WHAT . AS ABOVE, THERE ARE MORE REASONS FOR THIS THAN MEET THE EYE.
> 
> Surface Signal
> Since the ocean can change so quickly one must be prepared in the event he is
> swept away past the boat or surfaces away from the vessel.  The easiest is to
> use the lift bag (provided it is a bright contrasting color) as a signal. I
> also bring a signaling mirror which I have seen save the day. A whistle also
> helped locate three divers who were swept off the Monitor in 1995. These
> items are relatively small yet provide a huge safety margin.
> 
> WHY NOT TAKE YOUR BACKUP LIGHTS? SEE, THIS IS WHAT KILLS ME ABOUT YOU GUYS.
> WHY NOT BRING YOUR CELL PHONE AND PUT IT IN YOUR CANISTER LIGHT SO YOU CAN
> CALL A CAB? MOST OF YOU GUYS NEED A MIRROR TO TAKE A PISS ANYWAY, SO I GUESS
> YOU CAN HAVE ONE.>>
> 
> Ahmm, lets all do a quick experiment. Have someone take a 50w light and go
> 300-500 feet towards the sun so that you, acting as the searcher on a boat
> are looking towards the sun. Now can you see the light well? Now have the
> same person use a mirror and flash you. I think you will find that the mirror
> works better then the light and has the added advantage of not needing
> batteries. This is one reason why mirrors are part of pilot survival packs.
> If you are worried about getting separated after dark, a strobe is much
> better as it shows 360 degrees Vs a dive light that might show for 50
> degrees. A strobe will also get a Coast Guard helicopter pilots attention
> much better then a steady light.
> 
> Now for whistles, come up to New England in July and August on a hot humid
> day. I’ll put you over the side in a 50’ fog and see how well your light
> works. Only a sound signal will work in a thick fog. That's why ships and
> light houses have fog signals. Fogs can roll in on you within 15-20 minutes
> so you may jump off the boat with a clear sky and come back to the surface in
> a pea soup fog. Whistles may not be in the DIR hand book, but up here they
> better be part of your equipment.
> 
> Pete Johnson
> 
> PS: using spell check would help may on this list
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