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Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 15:02:37 -0400
From: Katherine Irvine <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Organization: DIR
To: scubait@ix*.ne*.co*
CC: rebreather@nw*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com, wwm@sa*.ne*,
     dlv@ga*.ne*
Subject: Re: Fw: Drager dolphin
You , like other instructors , get an instructor discount. You, like
most instructors, don't have the experience to even talk about diving,
and certainly do not have the juice to discuss it with me.

So you finally quit smoking? Now, instead of spending your money on
rebreathers ( if indeed you did ), why not get the teeth fixed so you
can hold onto the mouthpiece? 

Then, why not try dealing with a situation without making up crap about
me and my family.My diving and my life speak for themswelves, and your
appearance tells all with you. My beef with you is that you are a
disgrace to the sport and the shame is that students to diving have to
see you first. This is a crime in my opinion. 

At least you quit smoking, now try shutting up and learning , and then
try passing that on, and please brush those teeth before you teach a
class. Noboyd wants to do an S drill with a foul scumbag like you ,
Garett.

Being a smart ass know-nothing with an alligator mouth and a comment on
everything may be real popular on the rebreather list where those pros
are getting their feet amputated and such,but in the real world is not
in anyone's best interest, and is part of why diving has developed such
a bad rap - guys lke you teach it.


Garrett Weinberg wrote:
> 
> George:
> 
> The funny thing is that I placed an order with Halycon about two hours ago
for two Pony
> Mount Systems (Item Number HAL-ACC-PS) for one of my custoemrs. The funny
thing is that
> the order was accepted and I was not purchasing it as a retail customer but
as a dealer.
> 
> So we know that you lie.
> 
> Perhaps you also lie about drugs or maybe you did so much that drug
flashbacks are an
> accepted part of your life.
> 
> I can't think of any other reason for the simple fact that I am a Halycon
dealer cannot
> penetrate your thick skull.
> 
> Again, you lie.
> 
> Smoke cigarettes constantly? Not in the last twelve months.
> 
> Again, you lie.
> 
> Enough of your bullshit. You are a bully and the only way you can win
arguments is
> through lies and falsehoods and brow beating. I'm tired of you and tired of
wasting my
> time dealing with an idiot like you.
> 
> Here are the my final comments on this thread:
> 
> (1) I am a Halycon dealer - unless RMC posts something to the contrary.
> (2) I stated that all rebreathers are designed for a specific mission. Does
anyone
> seriously disagree with this comment?
> (3) George Irvine lies.
> (4) I have never dove a Halycon rebreather. I have never stated that I dove a
Halycon
> rebreather.
> (5) I pay for my own gear.
> (6) Dan Volker can stop hiding in the woods. His cur dog George has more guts
than Dan.
> I didn't say that his cur is smarter or more honest - just has more guts.
> 
> Good night gracie and make certain that the door don't hit you on your ass on
the way
> out.
> 
> Katherine Irvine wrote:
> 
> > Garret, the fact is YOU ARE NOT a Halcyon dealer. The fact is I do not
> > use drugs of any kind, and have not for decades.
> >
> > You , on the other hand, are in fact a broke dick nothing, who smokes
> > cigarettes constantly to the point where your rotting teeth are stained
> > the color of your asshole, and your foul breath is enough to gag a
> > magot.
> >
> > You are a pathetic excuse for a cadaver, let alone a human being, you
> > are a two bit dive instructor who is constantly trying to schnorr gear
> > and deals from anyone, and it is a tribute to Draeger that they have you
> > "on board". This should serve as an advertisement to anyone who looks
> > that this is what they DO NOT WANT.
> >
> > You are a power of the worst example in our sport, and a well-known
> > stroke. By the way, yuo must have me confused with Tom Mouth's son.
> >
> > Garrett Weinberg wrote:
> > >
> > > George:
> > >
> > > Engage your brain (or are you suffering from a cocaine flashback that
temporarily
> > > disengaged your cognitive powers) and get your facts straight before you
- like
> > > Dan Volker - run your mouth off.
> > >
> > > (1) It was inevitable that you would spew forth with your comments after
Dan got a
> > > spanking. It was never a question of "if" but rather a question of "when".
> > >
> > > (2) I am a Halycon dealer. You may not be aware of it, but Halycon sells
products
> > > other than rebreathers. If you got a problem with me being a Halycon
dealer, I
> > > suggest that you speak to RMC. I sell Halycon gear and I do so as an
authorized
> > > dealer and under the full terms and conditions of my dealer agreement with
> > > Halycon..
> > >
> > > So, your statement that I am not a Halycon dealer is a lie. Plain and
simple - a
> > > lie. Are you willing to admit that you "misspoke" on this one or do you
want to
> > > get my Halycon dealership revoked so that the next time you post about me
not
> > > being a Halycon dealer it will be true?
> > >
> > > (3) I never said that I dive a Halycon rebreather. I never said anything
about the
> > > Halycon rebreather. Unlike Dan, I don't knock a product that I have no
experience
> > > on. If you can find a statement in my message that hints or suggests that
I have
> > > dove a Halycon rebreather,  please do so.
> > >
> > > Are you willing to admit that you "stretched" the truth yet again on this
point.
> > > Golly gee George, caught in a second lie - and in one e-mail.
> > >
> > > (4) I said that rebreathers should be mission specific. Actually, the
exact words
> > > that I used were:
> > >
> > > "All rebreathers are designed for a specific purpose. Figure out
precisely  where
> > > and why you want to use rebreathers and then post the question again."
> > >
> > > Please be so kind as to tell me what is incorrect in that statement. I
don't think
> > > that any rebreather designer/manufacturer - including RMC - would
disagree with
> > > the statement.
> > >
> > > (5) I own an dive a Drager rebreather. Whether you like the unit or not -
and
> > > frankly I don't give a rats shit about you misleading statements (I would
say lies
> > > but everyone knows that you never ever lie), but I do have some knowledge
and
> > > experience on the Drager. You may not like the unit, the unit may not
meet your
> > > needs, you may not like me - none of which really matters - but that
doesn't
> > > change the fact that for many people, it is a affordable, safe,
pleasurable
> > > recreational rebreather
> > >
> > > (6) Why won't Dan tell this group what his experience level is on the
Halycon
> > > rebreather. It appears that he couldn't respond about his experience on
the
> > > Halycon rebreather cause he has none or very little so he let loose the
> > > foaming-at-the-mouth-ankle-nipping-Ivrine-dog to come to his defense.
> > >
> > > (7) Once again, the only opinion that counts in this world is the
glorious word of
> > > truth from the master himself. Anyone who disagrees is either farm animal
stupid
> > > or a "broke dick instructor".
> > >
> > > (8) If I have foul breath, it obviously comes from inadvertently
breathing the
> > > shit the you spew forth on a regular and consistent basis.
> > >
> > > George:
> > >
> > > Tell me the time and date in which to meet at 34th street and Herald
Square. I'm
> > > sure that Macy's will donate window space while you kiss my ass. Or, is
your
> > > promise of kissing ass in Macy's window if proven incorrect yet another
lie told
> > > by the master?
> > >
> > > And please, tell you alter ego MrClark96 (or what-ever fake e-mail name
that you
> > > lurk under)  not to bother sending me an e-mail threatening to come to
Seattle to
> > > kill me. The last time he did this, I offered to pay for his ticket so he
could
> > > come to Seattle and kick my but somehow he never showed up.
> > >
> > > Katherine Irvine wrote:
> > >
> > > > Weinberg - you have no information of any value to anyone on this
> > > > planet. You are not a Halcyon dealer, you do not have a Halcyon, you
> > > > have no buisness discussing it. You have no buinsess discussing anything
> > > > or anyone - you have zero knowledge or experience on which to base any
> > > > of your bullshit. You are a broke dick dive instructor with rotting
> > > > teeth and foul breath who does more to damage this sport and its image
> > > > than most. You are a disgusting disgrace that noboyd woould want
> > > > representing their product, and the very last in the case of Halcyon.
> > > > Your arrogance is clearly due to the fact that you feel safe over on the
> > > > rb list with the rest of the fakers and bullshitters. In the real world,
> > > > you don't cut it, and neither do any of them so far to date.
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Garrett Weinberg <scubait@ix*.ne*.co*>
> > > > > To: rebreather@nw*.co* <rebreather@nw*.co*>
> > > > > Cc: Manolito Lopez <manolito@mo*.co*>
> > > > > Date: Saturday, August 07, 1999 6:09 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Drager dolphin
> > > > >
> > > > > >There is only one piece of advice that comes to mind when reading any
> > > > > >statement that comes from Dan Volker - "Don't waste our time"
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Dan conveniently forget to tell you that the company that he works
for
> > > > > >manufactureres and sells the Halycon. Not exactly a piece of unbiased
> > > > > >information.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Thus, to keep all things above board, I should tell you that:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >(a) I teach the Draeger Atlantis/Dolphin/Ray
> > > > > >(b) I am a Draeger dealer
> > > > > >(c) I am also a Halycon dealer
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Having said all of that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >All rebreathers are designed for a specific purpose. Figure out
precisely
> > > > > >where and why you want to use rebreathers and then post the question
again.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Maybe, with a better understanding of what you want to do we can
give you
> > > > > more
> > > > > >meaningful insights rather than the standard Volker dribble.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Dan Volker wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> There's only one piece of advice that comes to mind--you've
probably
> > > > > heard
> > > > > >> it on TV...."Just Say No"...to the Drager.
> > > > > >> Buying an inexpensive death trap is no bargain.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Look into  the Halcyon II .
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Regards,
> > > > > >> Dan Volker
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> At 01:04 AM 8/8/99 +0800, Manolito Lopez wrote:
> > > > > >> >Hi guys, I'm very new to the list, I'm not even a rebreather
diver,
> > > > > >> >however I am planning to get a one this month.  A lot of people
in my
> > > > > >> >area has been buying the Drager dolphin, I wanted to know from
you the
> > > > > >> >experts what you think of it.  Presently I'm doing my technical
nitrox
> > > > > >> >class, I'm planning on getting into trimix a few months from now.
I
> > > > > >> >have been diving since 1991 and have 350 dives.  I  live and dive
in the
> > > > > >> >Philippines.  My only worry is that the dolphin is only limited to
> > > > > >> >recreational limits.  And the other units I know of like the
halcyon and
> > > > > >> >cis-lunar are way too expensive.  I hope you guys could help me
here.  I
> > > > > >> >don't want to make  a mistake by buying the wrong toy.  Thanks in
> > > > > >> >advance.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >manolito
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> Dan Volker
> > > > > >> SOUTH FLORIDA DIVE JOURNAL
> > > > > >> "The Internet magazine for Underwater Photography and mpeg Video"
> > > > > >> http://www.sfdj.com
> > > > > >>  561-547-9685
> > > > > >
> > > > > >

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