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Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 03:20:57 -0700
To: daniel@st*.co*
From: S I L E N T I M M E R S I O N <silent@cu*.ne*>
Subject: Re: clarifications for a stroke, please!
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Daniel,

Some answers:

>i also believe that DIR is a philosophy that can evolve, which
>is apparently contrary to the opinions around here and likely
>qualifies me in the sainted eyes of some here to be a stroke ==
>but what the hell, as long as i learn i am content

Wrong. All DIR divers believe the same as you do. Changes to the system do
have to be very solid though and all you have read is stuff that has been
beaten to death time after time. Actually the way the system became the way
it is, is because of evolution.

>do you really want to spend your entire ocean dive wielding a
>50w beam?  i can understand having a good light slung on
>somewhere but are you telling me it should always be on in the
>open water?

Depending on your dive. For regular no-stop dives, no light is fine. For
deep dives, take a light. Great for signaling. DIR makes sense, if it
doesn't, it is not DIR.

>educate the list: tell me why, in warm water, an appropriate
>thickness wetsuit is 'insuifficient' for deco stops?

Not insuifficient at all. Light deco in warm water can be done in wetsuit.
Depending on the profile we take a wetsuit or a drysuit. Depending on the
profile and the suit we take steel or alu. Simple stuff that has to do with
buoyancy caracteristics of your setup. 


>tell me, why no computers?

Tell me, why computers? 

> i do not mean a computer strictly as
>a substitute for tables, and i certainly do not mean subbing for
>appropriate and complete dive planning, but if i understand
>correctly DIR does not endorse computer use whatsoever - is this
>deep only, or all dives?  do DIR divers ever do repetitive ocean
>pleasure dives, say 20-30-40metres?

Among other reasons I find it very important taht you have to work on your
understanding of deco times and tables. Learning your dive plan by heart
and your deco schedules, you start working on a better understanding of
deco times and eventually will give you a lot of advantages over following
your computer blindly.
There has been a lot of discussion on this subject..
Anyway, DIR divers feel no need for any other divecomputer than the one
between your ears.


>and finally about steel tanks.. you are telling me that when i
>dive 20m with a steel tank in a skin (or wetsuit) that i am
>gonna die? - summer water temps dictate no suit (although a dry
>suit full of ice might be nice over here once in a while) and i
>like steel - no weights - i do understand the argument about
>going deep with steel (which i do not do - always AL) but is 20
>or even 30m with steel and no drysuit really a death wish?

Your chances to die increase as you are making lousy equipment choices. We
reduce stupidity and therefore minimalize chances to die. You can make your
own decision on whether you are diving a balanced rig when you check for
your buoyancy. If you are heavily overweighted with your setup, you are
doing something wrong.

>sure some flames are gonna come, but i assume i might get some
>real answers also, which just might help some of the other
>lurkers in these parts

Anytime. Get the DIR video's from Halcyon, they are great. To adopt DIR
philosofies is like staring a new dive career. The system is well thought
out for any environment. Any...
Why some people want to debate the same stuff over and over beats me. It's
so simple to understand these issues. If you don't want to dive DIR or if
you want to add some personal preference, do so but do not start a
worthless discussing over backup bc's, redundant computers and all other
known stupidities.
None of the guys that argue these issue have ever made their point on why
we should use any of these items. This is why the system is the way it is.
The people that helped DIR get out there however seem to constantly come up
with improvements. Like the E/O connector on the lights now... I love that
stuff. Thanks guys!

Regards,

THOMAS
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