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Hi again George I will at this time answer 2 of your three questions and only ask you one in return and once you do not have any more questions to ask I will tell how everything fell into place . 1) Did he >have a plan and a buddy? Yes he did have a plan , you do not leave the Seeker to dive without a written plan , in fact he had 2 buddies , Why is that? Can't you figure it out? What happen? 2) Did he have his bottles marked properly , or >did he not and breathe the wrong gas resulting in a tox (AKA "heart >attack" ). The bottles were marked , but not by WKPP standards.But this a moot point , the second stages had never been pulled from there tank straps , never breathed. I do believe number 2 question is now over. 3)Was his dive rig a mess including steel stages and other >clumsiness? > >JT, you could slow down the bullshit by requiring a few simple things of >these people. Don't go here George , this has nothing to do with this. > >The rest of the crowd, such as your pal Christina, are just screaming >examples of idiocy in my opinion, and have the web sites with the >pictures and the alligator mouths to prove it. That is a different >subject. These people merely serve as powers of example of what is wrong >in diving. You , on the other hand, are guilty of sitting back and >letting these goons screw up on your watch. Put your foot down. I suggest you go back and look again at her web site , she is on the leading end of the group she dives with , not by your standards , but improving.I am guilty of nothing , even when some of your members dive around here they do not DIR like you say .No one up here tries as hard as I do to change things , the old timers will not change , they in turn are showing the young ones how they do it.Unless they have someone to look at who is doing the dives they will fall into that trap.I am doing dives here that are turning heads , with the support of Dave Widen and Jim Cobb who take the time to help me do the dives as safe as I can , this does not mean I will always live , it only takes one screw up to kill myself at the these depths.Or any depth. > >You don't have to enforce what I would enforce, but you sure can go to >your PADI Open Water One book and enforce the first two pages ( buddy, >dive your plan, etc), and do not tell me these people are pros - that is >not even close. Now we come to this , George it is well known that I dive solo , why is that , George you and your group has pushed me dive this way , every time there is a diving accident you go after the buddy if there is one , so if I don't have a buddy I can't be blamed for what he does wrong.So George you see if I die on a dive , you are the cause , a buddy may have saved me.The message your sending out is dive solo , you only need to cover your own ass , that way you can't get blamed for anything. >By the way , JT, I do not dream all of this stuff up myself. I run the >WKPP, but my "dogs" conspire to produce everything we think and do . >They are some seriously smart and talented dogs. Who do you think I >learn from? In fact, the guys you all hate to hear from the most are my >most close and trusted buddies above and below water. I never said they were not smart or talented , just dogs. Now for my question: Tell the truth about Jess A. accident , rumor mill has it he was face down , bent to hell , that makes more sense then to sell your gear over skin bends. Lets keep this exchange going , don't go over the deep end on me now. JT > >Capt JT wrote: >> >> At 09:41 AM 6/28/99 -0400, Katherine Irvine wrote: >> How about Christina Young - tell me how it is up there. >> >> Hi George >> Christina is not the one you want to talk to , it is me.She was not there >> ,I was a customer on that trip and was one of the 2 divers that located the >> body of Charlie Mcgurr.I have never met Christina , but I offered to tell >> her the facts to relay to you and she suggested I do it myself as I have no >> ties with the boat, that makes me a more neutral party.If you really wish >> to know the facts I will tell you them , under these conditions. >> 1) I will only talk to you , so that means all your wanna bees and guys you >> have in your pocket stay out of this.I will talk to you only.Meaning if you >> can't control your dogs , I can't deliver the mail. >> 2)If you take this fact finding discussion and try to attack as you have >> done in the past , I will not tell you anything. >> 3)To get something you must give something , for every question you ask me >> , I get to ask you one in return. >> >> If you agree to this then send your first question , if the answers I give >> you are my opinion I will say so , or I will say fact. >> I will answer openly and honestly any question in regards to the death of >> Charlie, because if it is not the truth it is a lie and you should do the >> same when I ask you the questions about your group.I look forward to this >> fact finding discussion , but if it can't be done with self control I will >> not be part of it.It is my hope that something can be learn from this , if >> you do not want to believe the truth there is no need to answer me.I do >> think I will be the first to ever offer facts so soon , do not take away >> the chance this list has to learn the facts. >> >> Capt JT > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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