SEALS and SWAT Teams do NOT use personal preference, including obviously
foolish procedures ( or total lack of procedures). Irvine has to contend
with life and death issues in a general tech diving group. Imagine a
"knockoff/imitation"  SEAL Team with no procedural training and personal
preference used by each member to handle assaults and hostage recoveries.

The "real" SEALs would freak if exposed to the ineptness and lack of
recognized procedure. They would have NOTHING nice to say about the
pretenders.

Dan Volker


-----Original Message-----
From: jccalvin [mailto:jccalvin@pa*.ne*]
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 12:17 PM
To: tgunther@co*.co*; techdiver
Subject: Re: Doria Count?


-----Original Message-----
From: tgunther@co*.co* <tgunther@co*.co*>
To: techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: Doria Count?


>George Irvine:
>
>The reputation of the WKPP in the industry is well established.   Your
>professional  record is beyond dispute.    But like others, I find myself
>wondering why such ingenue behaviour is necessary when recounting
unfortunate
>deaths within the community?    Is it really necessary to scurry around
like a
>little June Beetle that takes advantage of all the carnage around itself?
Is
>such insolent chest-beating truly important in situations like this.....

Greetings:

As a student of technical diving (two years of training and experience AND
no intent to dive the Doria soon) I am compelled to support Mr. Gunther's
posting.  Reading Mr. Irvine's posts and getting past the ODD presentation
is a significant challenge.  I always read the posts carefully and having
discarded the extraneous chatter, carefully evaluate (and usually follow)
the diving advise.

I must say I am rather puzzled by Mr. Irvine's presentation style.  I spent
two tours in Vietnam working with Special Forces and a few seals on
intelligence operations and eight years as a police officer.  I have never
encountered anyone who was really good at a dangerous and intellectually
demanding activity (as Mr. Irvine obviously is) who communicates with his
particular approach.  They were almost always low-key and friendly (assuming
you were not one of there targets :>).  Generally people who talk like this
would really like to be accepted as one of the group but are clearly not
qualified.  As Mr. Irvine's qualifications are not questionable the puzzle
remains.

regards,

John.

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