I'm sorry Hugo, but I have to agree with Billy on this one. You are 
obviously a very stubborn person, and you know what they say about mules, 
you have to first hit them on the head with a 2X4 to get their attention. 
In your case I really hope a 2X4 is big enough. 

The problem here, Hugo, is we are talking about life & death issues, not 
what color to paint your poodle jackets. You yourself have admitted that 
there is a terrible death toll in the Red Sea from wah-wah divers such as 
yourself. Just because you are an incredibly lucky person does not mean 
what you consider "normal" is correct.

Providing manifolds to those who want them is not enough. As an operator 
you need to take on a leadership role and show your customers how to do 
it right. Once again this is a life or death issue, not something to be 
handled with pink, fuzzy kid gloves. Billy's attitude is justified.

 Jim

Sender: Bartolucci, Ivan Jorge  Date: 6/16/99 7:39 PM

>Hi Doctor (and others).
>
>>dishonest, deceitful, dangerous piece of shit.
>>deep-air bimbo
>>in your case, it's too late.
>>drooling, shambling, mindless moron
>>bullshit
>>Hugo, you're a clown.
>>dangerous, dishonest, ignorant stroke like you has arrived at the bottom of
>the barrel.
>
>(I quote.)
>
>  Could I give you a little non-diving advice? I believe (hope) you are
>well-intentioned, although you don't really sound like it for the moment.
>
>  If you plan to send a message and expect it to be received, no matter how
>right you are or believe to be, you'd better talk like an adult to another
>adult. Insults and abuses belong in school recess. The only thing you're
>achieving is putting people off (remember how upset your friend Dave was
>when I called him short-sighted wealthy westerner, sorry Dave), and making
>them believing you're the one who suffers the famous neurological damage you
>always talk about.
>
>  I've been warned several times about this list, and some kind of elements
>I would come across on it. I couldn't believe it when I saw how true it was.
>Your kind of language and attitude can only be found in the mouth of
>political extremists, left or right, religious or racists, and we know what
>they're worth (although you might not agree even on that, who knows!).
>
>  You might have a lot of good points. But by screaming against anyone who
>doesn't agree you just prove you can't hold your temper, or explain
>rationnally your point. Which in turn invalidates anything you can say.
>Any decent comments you might have made has been drowned in an ocean of
>garbage.
>
>  I've got lots of interesting comments and advice from this list, most of
>them privately from responsible people (which I wish by this post to thank
>gratefully), some of them questionning my practices as you do, pointing
>better solutions, showing better ways, giving fruitful references, but never
>abusing me. I've taken good lessons, and I'll try to implement some good
>solutions whenever (as soon as) feasible. Without those people I could have
>thought DIR divers are the most uneducated, stubborn and righteous people
>you can find. No matter how right some of their arguments might be.
>
>  When I first subscribed to this list, I understood opinions and
>discussions were welcome on it, but insults and abuses were prohibited. At
>the end you might even be disconsidered by some very respectable divers who
>would otherwise mostly agree with you.
>
>  Think that in most countries thoughts, opinions and even mistakes are
>allowed, as long as they're not expressly forbidden by law or habits. But
>with the amount of insults you publicly sent me I probably could sue you in
>your country as well as in mine.
>
>  Besides it, think your reality might not correspond to others'. Some of
>your ideas, or solutions, might be awkward, difficult if not impossible to
>implement
>somewhere else than in your garden. Some other solutions than yours might be
>more practical somewhere else, with purposes maybe somewhat different. Some
>people might have a perception of risk which is different to yours. Some
>people might still chose to ride motorcycles, although knowing they are
>riskyer than cars.
>
>  I won't hold your conduct against you Billy. I'll still apreciate your
>comments, advice and jokes. I'll still apreciate if you prove me wrong. But
>remember you're only sending insults to yourself.
>
>    Another little advice, and a good one. Loosing regularly your temper can
>cause high blood tension, ulcers, heart attacks, and of course neurological
>damage. If you want references...  ;-)
>
>  Mes respects, Docteur...
>
>  Hugo.
>
>
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