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Hi Doctor >Come off it Hugo, don't try and bullshit your way out of >it and pretend you were talking about 50M on air. You wrote >"I don't see any need for deep stops... in general [for] >almost any air profile except the most extreme way beyond the >maximum PPO2 recommendations." Fine, how much deeper can you go on air without exceding them anyway? Are 1mn deep stops that much safer than a slow ascent for such profiles? Do you have anything else than opinions about that, or any kind of experience? Apparently you don't do any deep air diving, so how do you know what you're talking about? Do you? >Come on Hugo, has it still not ocurred to you that people >who can't maintain a constant depth should not be doing >decompression diving, at least until they've mastered basic >skills. If this is obvious to everybody, why not you? Here we are. Come on, Bill, hasn't it occured to you that people do it anyway, wether you like it or not? wether they master or not? Have you always been the perfect diver you pretend to be? I know you prone perfect diving in a perfect world. I know that you should DIR or not do it at all, but that, although reasonnable, is IRREALISTIC, as people do it anyway. That discussion reminds me the FFESSM(french federation) against PADI. The french opposed military training, SPGs BCDs octopuses are unnecessary clutter, accidents related to the absence of one of them is due to lack of training, don't do it if you can't arguments, and other bla-bla of this kind. At that time I mostly agreed with them, as, somewhere, they were (and you are) are right. But... PADI won. The result has not been as bad as expected, actually quite good. The safety records have unexpectedly improved, despite what seems a low level of training. And when I see some CMAS or BSAC divers, despite their supposedly better training, I'm depressed! I learnt there there's a soft way of training, and also that pretending everybody who doesn't believe in the right God is a §%µ£$¤ has no chance as a training argument. Don't mistake me, I don't pretend 80% is better, it's not. But it's also less dangerous if you can't keep your depth, which apparently was the case. And that guy is of course not gonna stop deco diving. I'm not pretending deep air is better, it's not. But it's not the devil you shout, and pretending only He can be breathed below 30M is not gonna help as much as showing how risks can be reduced. Now once forever, I'm trying to reduce deaths in my area, and I'll succed faster by the soft way than by shouting 'You cunts!'. You want to multiply the DIR divers in Australia form 1 to 2 to 4 and so on. I want to cut the fatality rate from 12(!) to 6 and then 3 and so on. And say in front of a cadaver 'I told you it was dangerous' is no much help. All those deaths can be reduced by showing how much narcosis deserves respect, and not by shouting 'you're gonna die if you go below 40M'. This is what recreational agencies say, and in Dahab at least it doesn't work. >skill? Good, Billy, that was convincing. >>>significant >>>neurological damage which probably explains your >>>inability to think rationally or communicate >>>effectively. That's your major argument. I think it's time for you to back-up your shouts. If you don't find anything convincing about that supposed neurological damage you'll just look much more moron that you pretend I became because of deep air. By convincing I mean irrefutable facts, not the vague (but loud) opinions I have read until now. On the other hand, if you do, I'll then revise my position. >It's serious and it's tragic when deep air addicts are also >instructors and so have a platform from which to spread their >malignant deep air garbage. And have unexpectedly survived. And can even still talk. According to you I should be dead 100 times, or in a wheelchair or(and) in a psychiatrist hospital right now. Funny, I don't know any deep air diver who suffers the problems you mention (others than those who seriously missed their deco, of course), and I know A LOT of them with the same experience as me or more. Nobody pretends it's smart to go to 100M on air and then shoot to the surface. But keep it reasonnable and air is not the Devil. >>Is it you who told me you were a deep air diver until you realised how >>stupid you were? >No. Check your emails. But YOU wrote "Billy, I'm 40, I have >2500 dives, maybe 800 of them around or below 60m, most of >them on air, and I run the technical side of the operations >here. Don't make me more stupid than I am." >Hugo, with statements like that, you don't need anyone's >help to look stupid. Are you telling me you have no experience of what you shout against? You just believed blindly the one who shouted the loudest, or what? If not, what kind of experience makes you that angry that you have to abuse me? What kind of diver are you, Billy? Billy, you don't have to answer. I wont annoy you any more if you don't. But if you do, please come with STRONG arguments, and no beliefs and much less abuses. Those who shout are those who don't have the power to convince. I'm not a blind believer, Billy. Regards. Hugo. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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