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Hi Billy Happy to see you're that awake today. We're talking about a 50M/20mn air dive, right? >stupidly extreme air exposures, without >getting bent. Most of the time Don't put too much helium in your mix, otherwise at that exxxtreme depth you might get HPNS, as you seem very sensitive. >Translation: You know I don't understand deep stops and 02 >toxicity? Sure, at 50M on air you get more chances of a O2 hit than at 7M on pure O2! >Translation: "I think people who are not good divers >can deco dive as long as they compromise their choice >of deco gasses to compensate for their inability to >dive. Right, Billy, they should NOT compromise, and if they don't get a hit, they can try again. Who's that guy who wrote something like 'you can survive a type 1 bend, not an O2 hit' anyway? >>Third for such a profile plan your dive on whatever software you want, so >>you know what to expect. Then dive whatever your Aladin Suunto Scubapro >>Zeagle etc... tells you to, you won't get bent, except if you try hard to. >>It's not DIR but easy and safe. > >Translation "Nobody ever got bent from blindly trusting >their computers For sale or rent: blind translator. >significant >neurological damage which probably explains your >inability to think rationally or communicate >effectively. Is it you who told me you were a deep air diver until you realised how stupid you were? Too late, though. You seem to be the proof it can happen.. You've not lost your sense of humor, though. It might not be that serious after all. Regards. Hugo. -----Message d'origine----- De : bdi@wh*.ne* <bdi@wh*.ne*> À : Bartolucci, Ivan Jorge <ibartolucci@wa*.fr*>; Adri KC Haine <adri@De*.zz*.co*> Cc : techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Date : mercredi 9 juin 1999 10:04 Objet : Re: Hugo's contribution >At 01:01 PM 8/6/99 +0200, Bartolucci, Ivan Jorge wrote: >>Hi Adriaan >> >>As a deep air diver I think I can add my thoughts to the 'last deep stop' >>thread. > >You deep air divers often suffer > >However, we welcome your presence on these lists as >a stern warning to others of the dangers of repeated >deep air diving. > >You are obviously having a bad day. Possibly, the >nurse who fed you your breakfast was in a hurry, your >diaper is full, and the effort of pecking out messages >on the keyboard with a stick strapped to your forehead >is exhausting you. So allow me to step in and translate >for you. > >>First I don't see any need for deep stops for such a reasonnable profile, >>and in >>general almost any air profile except the most extreme way beyond the >>maximum PPO2 recommendations. > >Translation: "Despite the doctor's explanation, I still >don't understand deep stops. Or 02 tox, for that matter." > >>A reasonnably slow ascent is perfectly >>acceptable, and the difference in DCS risk is virtually nil if the >>deco requirements are followed properly (the main difference is the deco >>will probably be shorter). > >Translation: "I did, however, manage to follow my computer >to the surface after stupidly extreme air exposures, without >getting bent. Most of the time." > >>fatigue either, air being much more 'deco-friendly' than helium, for which >>deep stops have been created. > >Translation: "You know I don't understand deep stops and 02 >toxicity? Well guess what? I don't understand helium either." > >>It's not because your software offers that >>option that it's wise to use it. > >Translation: "The nurses told me never to touch the >handbrake on my wheelchair, again." > >>Second hovering at 6M seems to be problematic for some divers, the last >>thing I would recommend in this case is the use of pure O2. Such a lack of >>skill represents some risk on air, and a serious one on O2. > >Translation: "I think people who are not good divers >can deco dive as long as they compromise their choice >of deco gasses to compensate for their inability to >dive. I think also that the nurse who fed me breakfast >this morning was unecessarily impatient." > >>I know only >>strokes use 80%, but I think it would be much safer in this case, >>although I would use 50% myself for more versatility, at the expense of some >>more minutes underwater. > >Translation: "I think it is safer being a stroke. In >fact, getting a neurological hit from being a stroke, >is a lot like having a stroke. You get to sit in a wheel >chair, pee through a tube and and other people look >after you. For example, I have mashed banana in my hair >from breakfast and will require assistance to remove it, >but the nurse will be along soon. I expect." > >> >>Third for such a profile plan your dive on whatever software you want, so >>you know what to expect. Than dive whatever your Aladin Suunto Scubapro >>Zeagle etc... tells you to, you won't get bent, except if you try hard to. >>It's not DIR but easy and safe. > >Translation "Nobody ever got bent from blindly trusting >their computers. Take me for example. I'm not really bent. >I just don't feel like moving my arms and legs that's >all. Besides, any minute now, the nurse will be along to >get the banana out of my hair. You watch." > >>Fourth proper deep air training answers those questions, teaches how to >>chose the last deco depth depending on the conditions, mow to respect >>closely your >>planned deco depth through the use of proper gear and procedures, etc... > >Translation: "There are places where you can get >training to dive deep on air. You should do the training, >becuase as brain damage mounts and your cognitive >processes diminish, you need repetitive muscle training >to function." > >You also learn the use of proper gear and procedures, >like the wheelchair, the bedlift, the catheter and >the emergency buzzer. some people can also learn to >eat breakfast without getting mashed banana stuck in >their hair. I wish I'd learned that." > >>See >>my point? > >Translation: "It's what I used to type this message with. > >>Regards. >> >>Hugo. > >with help from billyw > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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