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Hi Adriaan Don't worry too much, I'm very concious of the relative danger of deep air diving, and my purpose in teaching deep air courses is to avoid divers to put themselves in the situation described by Dave Hempenstall (I think I explained it already, and he who wants will understand). As you say, accidents are bad for the business, but loosing a friend is much worse. The reason why most operations require you to respect the 40m limit is because there's too many heroes, specially young divers coming from Europe after one year without diving, freaked out by the water temperature and the vis and going to whatever crazy depth on a single tank, only relying on their air-integrated new-on-the-market top-advertised computer to get them out of shit. But there is no law against deeper dives in Egypt for the moment, and we'll try and keep it that way. Technical diving is also not widely known and understood in the area, so don't blame on them, they just don't know (can you believe that 90% of the dive clubs only offer INT tanks?). Some (hopefully) well-intentioned people could actually do more information instead of behaving like a sect and shouting at anyone who doesn't exactly share their views. Hopefully we're gonna have manifolds in a couple of months. We rent plastic DiveRite harnesses with redundant Classic wings. I can understand you prefer SS, I'll probably upgrade whenever I have more money to invest. For the moment I'm trying to get a better choice of tanks, specially big, small and steel as for the moment only aluminium 80s and 63s are imported, and private importation here is almost smuggling or nothing. Meanwhile... weight belts. As long as you're satisfied with He, O2 and N2 I can make you happy with pretty much any mix you want. The price of He being what it is, the mixes are gonna be quite expensive but on the other hand Dahab is all shore diving so the cost of transportation is minimum (and the diving is absolutely awesome). No Argon for your drysuit, but I don't think you're gonna need it here. No Nx 80 at 200 bars either as I don't have a booster pump yet. For what is DIR, whether you dive it or not is none of my business. I will just provide you with what you need as long as we have it, and require that you stay within reasonable limits of safety, which is natural for a DIR diver anyhow. But please don't get upset if other divers around dive Personal Preference, as you say this is 99% of the divers. If you need a DIR buddy you'd better bring him with your luggage, but there's quite a few serious divers in the area which can be pretty reliable buddies. Don't ask them to wear a single wing or depth gauge though... You can E-mail Divers Lodge at tek@di*.co* . Regarding Rob Palmer, ask them, don't ask me... Thank you very much for caring and being open-minded. Best regards. Hugo. -----Original Message----- From: Adriaan_Haine@ce*.be* <Adriaan_Haine@ce*.be*> To: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 1:18 PM Subject: Hugo sees Red (amendment) > > >Hi Hugo, > >This is from a potential customer and a DIR proponent. >I notice your intentions are good. But the road to hell is paved with good >intentions;-) > >For the moment, the kind of diving you offer is only accepted by the >personal preference and deep air diving crowd. Granted, since 99% of all >divers belong to that group, your business will probably go very well ! > With the revenue you get from them , you can upgrade your gear and >mentality to include the other 1 %, the DIR divers. > >If and when you do this and offer manifolded doubles, SS backplates, >harnesses, a DIR state of mind towards (deeper) diving and the right mixes >(for DIR divers) to do those dives, you can ask to be included in the list >Richard Hollingbrook is compiling (btw; how is it coming along, Richard?) > >May I only ask you to be careful ( I KNOW you are ) because nothing is as >bad for business as an accident. > >I have 2 more questions regarding the Red Sea: > >1) Is the Diver's Lodge offerering DIR diving? What outfit was Robert >Palmer diving with when he killed himself? > >2) Each time I go to the Red, the divemaster asks us to remain above 40 >meters. Is there a law advocating this, or is this just a demand? > > >rgrds > > >Adri KC Haine > >darkangel@en*.co* > >"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" - Aleister Crowley >"Fay ce que voudras" - Rabelais > > >Check out : http://www.ping.be/safe-diving > > > >------------------rep sep------------------------ > > > >I wrote: > >"What diving centre is this Hugo character affiliated with? >Just so we know where NOT to go in case we go to the Red Sea again. > >--- >Adri KC Haine" > > > >Hugo wrote: > >"Hi Billy > >I reply to you, as it's true you have been very patient to me. I appreciate >that. >Listen to me now. > >I live in Egypt. In this country, there is around 300 dive clubs, 2 of them >offering Trimix. Diver's Lodge and... ClubRed. Helium is about $.07 a >liter. >That's the price I sell it. I could hardly make it cheaper. So, if I wanted >to be DIR it would cost me 2x$54 to go to 60m with my 2x80. > >On the other hand, air singles are available under each stone around here. >Billy, I'm 40, I have 2500 dives, maybe 800 of them around or below 60m, >most of them on air, and I run the technical side of the operations here. >Don't make me more stupid than I am. Double manifolds are incomparably more >difficult to transport and have refilled compared to the singles you just >rent on a boat. 100 tanks on the boat. No compressor. One dive and I would >have to go to shore to refill. Is that your alternative? I then use my 15L >tank w/H-valve for 1 dive, and then... independent singles. > >I find manifolds so safe and practical. I'm just trying to get the right >size of manifolds and the right size of steel bands for the last 6 months. >No way for the moment. I'll go to Europe next month, buy them, ship them, >and then argue with the customs for another 3 months to get them into the >country. So by next fall I hope to have them here. Inch'Allah. They would >make my life so much easier. > >I could go through more examples. If I was DIR I would just not dive. So >yes, I have a much better solution than DIR. A solution which allows me to >dive everyday. I don't think you're interested to know how I rig my >independent >singles, but you'll be happy to know that my philosophy is pretty close to >yours. Keep everything as simple and idiot-proof as possible, specially as >under narcosis I become pretty stupid, so I don't want to take any chance >to >do a mistake. Everybody around here uses pretty much the same config. Mine. >It became a >standard around here. > >I'm doing the best I can with the limited possibilities I have. Whenever I >can do better I will. Improvement is on the way. > >Billy, I don't disconsider you or anything you do. I'm nobody to do that. I >just feel that you guys, regardless of local specificities and >difficulties, >are calling "funny names" anyone who doesn't do exactly like you. This is >why I sound so defensive. I have been attacked straight away. You don't >seem >to be interested in what hapens here, you just seem to have a pretty >straight idea of how things MUST be done. It's not always possible. Not >everybody lives in the States or in Australia. > >We might meet one day, I'm sure I'm gonna learn so much from you, and, >probably, you'll be surprised how much you can learn from me. > >>>Heresy. Religion. Fanaticism. Intolerance. > >I hope you understand these words now. This is how most of you sound to me. >Come here and teach me. I'm pretty sure we'll laugh together. > >Best regards. > >Hugo. > >PS please, don't call me a two-faced hypocrit any more. I think I have >proved to be quite straight. If needed I'll prove again. And the >bragadoccio >has more tricks in his pocket than you (seem to?) think. Ciao." > > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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