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>Susan, > >If taking an extra bottom timer with you, while diving in the ocean, makes >you feel better than do it. Still, this is equivalent to throwing turtle >bones over your left shoulder or taking along a good luck charm in your >pocket. The real problem here is that you are responding to the fear >associated with decompression and the bottom timer gives you an added sense >of security. Clearly, taking along an extra bottom timer is no different >than wearing a dive watch. So what? How do you tell depth with a watch? >It comes back around to the fact that ocean diving is far more dangerous and >unpredictable than cave diving. You should not subject yourself to >exposures requiring major decompression and even the remore risk of having >to be "rescued" from a CF. Deep ocean dives, involving drift decompression, >where there is essentially no bottom underneath you, are very dangerous. Bill I totally agree, but don't you think 285'for 4 hrs on staged scooter dives on your own tables is also dangerous? It comes down to risk managment. Bring the right tools for the job. >The three fatalities in West Palm Beach, which we still have not recovered, >and the Jane Orenstein tragedy all involved the lack of an "underneath" >(versus an overhead) environment. In the Palm Beach case, the self rescue >and buddy assised rescue failed and in the Jane case, there was no self >rescue or buddy attempted rescue despite the fact that the means for self >rescue were more or less there. I thought that most of these fatalities were from overweighting problems. This should have been addressed in their instruction. >I will not dive solo anymore, nor will any of my colleagues. As for so >called "self rescue" there is no such thing and you are rolliing the dice if >you think that you can save yourself from a CF in a dangerous situation. The >point is you don't want ever be in a situation where a rescue becomes >necessary; however should such a crisis arise this is where your buddy as >part of your life support system is invaluable. Bill do not get me wrong. I have never advocated solo diving. I have never lost a buddy. But I know people who have and personally I want to be ready for that contingency. If you carry a watch, why is that so different from a BT? Self rescue is a state of mind as well as technique. Regards Susan > >Best wishes, > >Bill > >-----Original Message----- >From: susan m. innes <premier@ma*.ac*.ne*> >To: Chris Werner <clw5232@ga*.ac*.fs*.ed*> >Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 12:34 PM >Subject: Re: Redundant Equipment and Hogarthian > > >>Chris, >> >>Do you take the DIR raft which comes with the DIR package from Halcyon in >>the cave?? or do you MODIFY the rig for cave or do you deviate from the >>published and advertised DIR gear and not take it with you in the cave or >ocean? >> >>For the record, DIR and George are responsible for teaching me alot and for >>reconfiguring my gear as were many others. Taking a second bottom timer in >>the ocean which is unobtrusive and my decision since I'm the one going in >>the water doesn't mean I don't subscribe to DIR philosophy just as those >who >>do not take their raft in the cave or ocean are not necessarily throwing >>away ALL DIR philsophy. Just as those who used an extra belt buckle to hold >>their cannister in place weren't strokes. They saw a need and addressed it >>FOR THEM. If you don't want to take an extra bottom timer that's fine for >>you. I respect and understand your decision but I don't concur in it. >> >>Naturally, you always want to be with your buddy, but my opinion is a self >>rescue is the best rescue and I will plan to have a buddy and to manage a >>self rescue, if possible. >> >>susan >> >> >> >> >> >>>Why would you ever keep changing gear config. to suit differing >conditions? >>>Go with what works in all environments. The fact that you think you are >fine >>>tuning DIR is ridiculous. Hogarth is not DIR, it was a stage in the >>>evolution. Dive Hogarth (or what you think Hogarth is) for all I care. I'm >>>telling you what works everywhere with no modifications. DIR works and has >>>never been proven not to. It was developed in the ocean, refined in the >>>cave, and put to use in the extreme environment of the Woodville Karst >>>Plain. It works in extreme cold (Baltic Sea Tech Divers) and in warm >water. >>>If you were really analyzing the benefits you can only come to one >>>conclusion: DIR WORKS. >>> >>>Chris >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: <bigvon@be*.ne*> >>>To: Chris Werner <clw5232@ga*.ac*.fs*.ed*> >>>Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >>>Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 5:05 PM >>>Subject: Re: Redundant Equipment and Hogarthian >>> >>> >>>> It is not a matter of old school or stubbornness. it's analyzing >benefits >>>> versus risks >>>> Again, no one seems to accept that someone can dive hogarthian and not >>>accept >>>> every single edict from the DIR most recent statement. Is a seven foot >>>hose >>>> better than a five foot hose in the ocean if no penetration is involved >>>and >>>> light is not an issue? >>>> >>>> In fact if you look at the first DIR tape and the second, most recent >one, >>>> innovations were introduced such as "allowing" divers to use the extra >>>belt >>>> buckle to hold their canister in place. Some divers were doing this >>>before the >>>> second video - were they 'stroke" before the video and "not stroke" >after >>>the >>>> video. Were they closed minded, old school before the video and not >>>> afterwards? >>>> >>>> One can dive using a redundant bottom timer and still be hogarthian, >have >>>a >>>> "good" diving attitude and an open mind. >>>> >>>> A bottom timer gives you depth and time in one compact unit. Those of >you >>>> using extra casio watches do not have a back up depth device. >>>> >>>> >>>> Chris Werner wrote: >>>> >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > >>>> > There is no difference. The difference is in your inability to realize >>>that >>>> > DIR works everywhere. The reason you can't get it is that you are old >>>> > school, stubborn, and lack an open mind. >>>> > >>>> > Chris >>>> >>> >>>-- >>>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >>> >>> >> >>-- >>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> > > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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