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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:23:02 -0400
To: "Jess Armantrout" <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>
From: premier@ma*.ac*.ne* (susan m. innes)
Subject: Re: Redundant Equipment and Holgarth
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
>If my bottom timer fails, I do not die.  If my lights fail, the odds are
>pretty good I die.  In Wakulla, if just my primary fails AND I lose my
>buddy, I probably die.
>
>Again, defend your position.  Why do you need the 2nd depth gauge?  Will you
>die without it?  Will you get bent without it? 

Again as I said if one is in a cave DIR is appropriate.
Different ball game in the ocean.



>Why is ocean different than cave?  You obviously have never done any serious
>cave.  I feel much safer in the wide open ocean than in the confines of a
>cave.  And I will bet I have done more serious ocean dives than you have so
>don't even go there.


What is a serious cave? 285' for 4 hrs.  I agree. 
But other than that are you saying multiple stage dives wherever are not???
I would like to take your bet with regard to serious ocean dives. I started
in 1979 how about you? How many east coast dives? 

>
>Jess
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: susan m. innes <premier@ma*.ac*.ne*>
>To: Jess Armantrout <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>
>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 2:07 PM
>Subject: Re: Redundant Equipment and Holgarth
>
>
>>
>>How do you reply to his argument about backup lights?
>>I understand the DIR concept. I just believe that a backup BT does not
>>violate the holgarthian system. An open ocean deco dive is a totally
>>different from the protected recesses of a cave where I agree DIR makes
>sense.
>>
>>
>>
>>>he has yet to offer a reason why he needs a second bottom timer that can
>not
>>>be accomplished with the gear I normally carry.
>>>
>>>Susan, you and he just don't get it.  While this one piece of equipment
>may
>>>sound trivial to you, it is the attitude that is flawed.  If you don't
>need
>>>it don't take it.
>>>
>>>Do you have a gas can sitting on the front seat of your car in case you
>run
>>>out?  Then a fire extinguisher in case the gas catches fire?
>>>
>>>See what I'm saying?
>>>
>>>Trout
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: susan m. innes <premier@ma*.ac*.ne*>
>>>To: Jess Armantrout <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>
>>>Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 1:31 PM
>>>Subject: Re: Redundant Equipment and Holgarth
>>>
>>>
>>>>I think bigvon@be* already has well defended this topic.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>defend your way or find a flaw in mine.
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: susan m. innes <premier@ma*.ac*.ne*>
>>>>>To: Jess Armantrout <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>
>>>>>Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 1:22 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: Redundant Equipment and Holgarth
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Who says what the better way is?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>One is a stroke when one hears of a better way of doing something and
>>>>>insists on
>>>>>>>doing it the old way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jess
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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