Art, 

You know i dont engage in email fights --- not my style. 

However ---- back to bag shooting ---

so you have this arty-fact --- transfer it as close to the anchor line as
you can -- shoot it there --- send it up by itself --- remember to tie the
bag to the thing and the line to the thing .. if the bag flops or pops you
can follow the string to the thing. 

the bag will go straight up -- the boat has some scope out so the bag will
be out front of the boat. go up the anchor line -- do the deco -- then ...
go get the thing --- on your next dive pick up the line or ask someone too.
Using a good large wreck reel will work fine --- despite what people say
about the bio-degradeable line it takes about a year for it to break down.
(try it at home and you will see) 

As to using a personal ascent line -- i want my body going up on something
I know will not break good ole man made nylon  -- i wont risk it to that
hemp stuff (dont some people smoke that ? ) 

regards 
jds 



At 02:15 PM 5/12/1999 -0400, Paltz, Art wrote:
>Joel,
>
>Don't really want to start a back and forth email fight (hope that's not
>what it is).  There are other emergencies other than out of gas.
>Someone could be spooked, feel sick, etc.  There are other reasons why
>people shoot bags when there is no emergency.  I typically try and bring
>the artifacts up with me.  If I know I'll be shooting a bag for an
>artifact I'll being my hemp spool.
>
>Yes as indicated I try it a few times a year for practice.  Usually I'll
>do this when it's not the greatest of wrecks.  I'll let them know that I
>might shoot a bag and to just leave it there as I'm most likely on it,
>it's marked with my name.
>
>I think the whole point here is in an emergency.  We agree 100% to do
>whatever means is easiest and lest problematic to get back on board
>safely.  Not that I'm an environmentalist (not by a long shot, where are
>those disposable diapers damit!) but I don't think leaving nylon line
>strewed around the wrecks unnecessarily is a good idea.  Stays there
>until someone removes it.  There's enough stuff to get tangled in
>without the help of additional nylon rope.  I don't know if adding to it
>is a "better way of doing it.
>
>Art.
>
>		-----Original Message-----
>		From:	Joel Silverstein
>[mailto:joelsilverstein@wo*.at*.ne*]
>		Sent:	Wednesday, May 12, 1999 1:51 PM
>		To:	Paltz, Art; ajmurphy@sn*.ne*; Mailing Tech
>Diver List (E-mail)
>		Subject:	RE: Jersey ascent line ???
>
>		It's only an emergency if you have no gas left ---- and
>if thats the case
>		-- just leave the stupid thing there and get your ass
>up. 
>
>		As to using it -- sure I have you don't think I would
>comment on something
>		I have not tried do you? 
>
>		I tried it on ten dives in 1990 -- it was convolution
>then as it is today.
>		IF some still want to use it, well.... there are really
>better choices. 
>
>		regards 
>		Joel
>		 
>
>
>		At 01:44 PM 5/12/1999 -0400, Paltz, Art wrote:
>		>Have you ever tried it?  It's not nearly as hard as you
>make it sound.
>		>Like I said, in an emergency you tie it off, read the
>post again Joel.
>		>If for some reason you can't find the hook it's not
>that big of a deal.
>		>If you're panicked then tie and cut.  If you're
>stressed then tie it off
>		>and cut, I think these all fall under an emergency
>situation which I
>		>addressed in the initial post.  Really depends on the
>situation.  I
>		>usually do a few training bags a year and I don't tie
>them off.  If
>		>you're going to tie it off each time you shoot a bag
>then maybe you
>		>should be carrying Hemp....
>		>
>		>Art.
>		>
>		>
>		>		-----Original Message-----
>		>		From:	Joel Silverstein
>		>[mailto:joelsilverstein@wo*.at*.ne*]
>		>		Sent:	Wednesday, May 12, 1999 10:54 AM
>		>		To:	Paltz, Art; ajmurphy@sn*.ne*;
>Mailing Tech
>		>Diver List (E-mail)
>		>		Subject:	RE: Jersey ascent line
>???
>		>
>		>		At 09:25 AM 5/12/1999 -0400, Paltz, Art
>wrote:
>		>		>Contact Trader John.  He's got small SS
>ones with 250'
>		>of nylon line.
>		>		>Problem with nylon line is that it
>doesn't rot away
>		>like sisal (SP?).
>		>		>With 250' of nylon you can loop it
>around a bar or
>		>friendly piece of
>		>		>wreckage.  You can then hold the spool
>and go up.
>		>Basically you use
>		>		>twice as much line but you can recover
>it and not
>		>litter the wreck.
>		>		>Naturally in a real emergency you'd
>apologies to the
>		>environment and
>		>		>just shoot the bag and tie it off and
>not worry about
>		>it.
>		>		>
>		>
>		>		Geeeez ------ 
>		>
>		>		Art -- if one is going to use this
>convolution at least
>		>try not to strangle
>		>		yourself with it -- please .... you
>shoot the bag -- you
>		>tie off the line
>		>		-- you cut the reel from the line -- you
>clip that big
>		>hunk of junk back on
>		>		and you go up the line --- you do your
>stops -- you get
>		>to the surface you
>		>		pray the boat saw your little lift bag
>-- if now you
>		>whip out your little
>		>		safety sausage and wave that a bit then
>you fire off
>		>your dive alert --- if
>		>		you still have no attention you take out
>your safety
>		>flares and blow them
>		>		off --- ........
>		>
>		>		now do you reallly want to be worrying
>about the line
>		>being recovered .....
>		>
>		>		Do it right or dont do it at all.
>		>
>		>		regards 
>		>		jds 
>		>
>		>
>		>
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