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From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 06:59:40 -0400
To: NAUItec@ao*.co*, cavers@ca*.co*, freeattic@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*
CC: clw5232@ga*.ac*.fs*.ed*, J-Scott.Landon@us*.du*.co*,
     armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*, rose@cs*.sc*.ed*,
     Robert Carmichael , TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*,
     wwm@sa*.ne*, techdiver
Subject: Re: Teaching Tank Marking
This is a real crock. "Industry Standards" are idiocy by idiots, mean
nothing, and have no authority what so ever. Maybe one of these geniuses
can tell you how and IANTD "nitrox" sticker on a tank tells you anything
about the condition of the tank for filling. Maybe they can explain the
logic of cleaning and stickering due to "safety concerns" and then
telling people to fill them to the brim with oxygen and then blow air on
for a few humdred psi to make the ridiculously stupid "80/20" mix.

  Maybe IANTD should require the gas companies to oxygen clean the
storage cylinders and slap sickers on them before delivery each time,
and for the dive shops to do the same to their banks and compressors,
and to do the same to each tank before each fill.

  This is all bullshit, and you have correctly identified it as such.

   The answer is to go to dive shops where the stupidiy factor is
minimal, or to run your show in a fashion that relieves the customer of
the burden of dealing with stupid people. Most tech divers are going to
be the more upscale players, people with educations , real jobs, and
real disposable income for play time. These people are sick of dealing
with dive shop primates and cretin-like "instructors" who are ruining
their fun and making their sport dangerous while hoodwinking them and
screwing them over with bad advice, worthless "instruction" and crap
gear. Sooner or later the pressure of doing things properly and in a way
that makes sense will prevail. 

  We have no such problems in Ft Lauderdlae. I can fill my stuff
anyplace, anytime, any way I want. The idiots do not do the volume of
business that the real players do. Money talks, bullshit walks in this
as in eveything else. The Golden Rule will dictate - "he who has the
gold makes the rules". The tech divers have the gold, the bozons need to
take a seat and service them properly.

  We make the rules, not the half wits who need to get their lazy asses
to the boat and the shop early Saturday morning so we can go diving,
just like I get to my job and do what my customers want without jerking
them around.


XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX wrote:
> 
> Sir,
> 
>         Sorry to beat a dead horse but with the recent postings of Tank
> markings, I have a question I can't quite answer.  I teach Technical
> diving in XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.  At the time I teach for IANTD.  Personally I
> agree with your standards for tank marking and even go so far as to
> practice these standards when I make my dives.  My question is this, How
> can we propogate the DIR philosophy when standards for the technical
> agencies requires us to do differently.  I agree the unreal amount of
> tank stickers required by standards is foolish, but what choice do I
> have if industry standards say the tanks have to be marked in such a way
> or they can't be filled.  I can fill my tanks, and the people who come
> to me can get fills without a problem but many facilities won't touch a
> tank without the $25 in stickers in their "proper locations."  I'm
> afraid the students I teach if diving at the coast won't be able to get
> service everywhere if they follow my, actually your recommendations.
> Any thoughts on the idea.
> 
>         My only thoughts are put up with the hassle of service if using DIR
> philosopies or put up with the hassle of labeling to get service
> everywhere.  Thanks in advance.
> 
>                                                 XXXXXXXXXXXXXX

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