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Trout, I want to personally thank you for taking the time to post examples of your deco procedures. Some of us do appreciate the insight it provides into some of the things you are doing. But some people aren't happy unless they are complaining (that's why there is a suggestion box in Heaven- reportedly). They complain if you don't tell them squat and then they complain that you told someone something! Go figure! I guess I need to improve my reading comprehension but I completely missed the part where you told everyone to do it "just like you do". I could have sworn that you STRONGLY cautioned everyone "We are professionals, Don't try this at home". Well I guess it's back to "Evelyn Woods Reading Course" for me!!!! And Capt. JT, Beg to differ with you but I don't every recall anyone on this list (or cavers for that matter) claiming that anyone was "training" anone on the net. My impression has always been that the list is an exchange of informantion, some good, some not so good, some even worse. By having access to the information the diver with some experience (and a brain) can decipher which is which. If the diver is a thinking individual and not just a "lemming" he/she will be able to incorporate many of the techinques (diving and rigging) into whatever type of diving they might do. If some of the distributors of this information seem rather blunt, I would contend that it is because they care about the well being of others and have come to realize that if you want to teach a mule something, first you have to get it's attention - like with a 2 by 4! Not that all divers have the mental capacity of a mule - but if the muleshoe fits, wear it! If someone doesn't understand something, like my comment about switching out 2nd stages by having them only finger tight (that's finger tight where the hose attaches to the second stage - the part that goes in your mouth) then that person should not try it but ask someone else like the diver in your example did. Bravo, he has a brain, he thinks, this is a good sign. Since I wrote the piece you refered to I know that the intent was not to teach, but rather to distribute information. I agree completely that you have to get wet to learn to dive and I think Jim Cobb posted the best explanation of how to acquire experience/wisdom in the sport that I have ever had the pleasure to read. (Jim, when your head gets down to normal size after that compliment, would you please re-post that). In a nutshell it said if you want to be a better diver go out and dive, dive, dive, dive in all sorts of situations, in murky water, cold water etc. That is how I learned to dive in 1962. And last year that's what I put my son through. And as a result of it he developed into a very competent diver who knows how and why, not just "because that's what they told me". At least that's my never to be humble opinion! Dave Dalton On Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:02:49 -0500 "Jess Armantrout" <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*> writes: >I agree 100 %. I also expressly indicated that I was posting what I >do and >that it may not work for others, I also expressly pointed out that >following these profiles could, and probably would result in harm. I >think >I have made this abundantly clear. I have told nobody what tables to >use. >If this is not clear, please feel free to contact me privately. > >Now then, having said that, I suggest you all do as the good Capt. >says and >stick your heads as far up your asses as possible and completely >ignore >everything new that is going on around you. It is the only way to be >safe. >Go back to horsecollars, double hose regs, deep air, etc., etc., etc. > >To the list... >Guys like this are why I get pissy when I post. > >Good day, >Trout > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*> >To: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >Date: Monday, April 05, 1999 7:44 PM >Subject: Re: He is "mike rodriquez"? > > >>I've watched these posts and they run border line to maybe causing >someone >>to hurt their self. >>Mike like most on this list uses the programs available to him (Decom >, >>Abyss, ect.) And now he is being told to make his own , that these >tools >>are wrong.Most on this list do not have the time , resources, >training, and >>skill to come up with personalized tables other than what these >programs on >>the market let you do.So what he should be told (and he knows this >I'm >>sure) is they work, but could be better.To tell this list to start >making >>ones own will surely cause someone to get hurt.This falls in place >just >>like many of the things I've seen on this list- - - >>Just like when Jim told a diver to just buy a set of doubles and >consider >>himself certified doubles diver ( Not picking on you Jim , just an >>example)Those of us who run trips deal with this problem every >year.And its >>getting worse.This list promotes training on the net and some who get >this >>internet training get it turned around or should not move on to >tech >>diving until a time they able to handle the mental stress of these >kinds of >>dives.Gear just like these home made tables are part of a divers >tools , if >>a diver does not have the skill to began with there is not anyway to >>configure his gear or kind of gear to make him a tech diver.What am >I >>saying is this- the gear does not make the diver , but the diver is >the key >>to the gear.Proper gear will surely enhance what is already there , >but >>will not make him a good diver.Another point from a resent trend is >the Reg >>switching , at our last Vatech meeting it was openly talked about and >a >>diver following the posts had misunderstand the part about the second >stage >>being only finger tight to change it , he was thinking the hose at >the 1st >>stage (leading to the second stage) was to be loose . Just because >you >>understand it when you post it, does not mean that the person reading >it >>understands it the way you did.As I have said before You Can Not >Learn to >>Dive on this LIST , at Some Point You Must Get in the WATER >> >>CaptJT >> >>-- >>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to >`techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to >`techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to >`techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to >`techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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