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At 04:06 PM 4/5/99 +1000, bdi wrote: >When it was reasonably suggested that your knowledge base >might be less than useful, you defended your limited >knowledge from the point of view that "I read it on the >Decom box so it MUST be true." My knowledge base is founded in the commonly known and accepted body of information that has been published. When/if the WKPP publishes their information, the answers may well change, but until they do, the widely accepted theories are all non-WKPP divers have to go on. >These people are telling you don't know anything about >decompression, not because you don't do their 12 hour >dives but because you hold and broadcast the dangerous >assumption that your pre-packaged, store-bought, software- >generated solution MUST be the RIGHT solution. Again, these software packages are based on the best currently-accepted theories about decompression and this is the only information available to the vast majority of us. The WKPP has better information, but until it's made public, my answer based on commonly known and accepted theories is correct in that context. When I deco with deep-stops, they ALWAYS lengthen my total deco time. Why? Because I don't have the benefit of the secret WKPP information that can safely shorten it. What good does it do the person who posted the original question about deep-stops if I answer that deep-stop, as implemented by the WKPP, shorten total deco, but nobody outside the WKPP knows how to implement them this way so don't bother. Since the available deco programs are all most of us have to work with, and since they extend total deco time when deep-stops are implemented, my answer reflected this. Also, when Trout said that deep-stops have been shown to reduce the incidence of DCS, I asked for the numbers supporting this assertion. Trout eventually indicated that the numbers are not available. This makes the assertion anecdotal and unproven. For the record, I DO NOT dispute Trout's assertion that deep-stops reduce DCS, I dispute that they have BEEN SHOWN to do so. In science, nothing is shown to be true unless there is documented evidence of it and it can be independently reproduced. WKPP deep-stops can't be reproduced because they aren't published. I'll say this again for effect: I believe Trout's assertions, but I don't believe they have been scientifically shown to be true. >>Just yesterday I was doing >>two technical dives where I had the opportunity to speak >>with some of the member of this list. Everyone one of >>them told me they read the list but are afraid to post >>so much as a question for fear of being ridiculed. > >Then ask the fucking questions PRIVATELY!!! This is a public forum. If we all start speaking privately, we'll be defeating it and might as well close the mailing list and post a static contact list with everyone's email address. >Mike, this doesn't apply to you. You weren't asking any >questions. Yes I was. I asked how it is that deep-stops shorten deco. I asked the question because conventional deco theory and the available programs that implement it say that deep-stops lengthen deco. A valid question, I think. The question was finally partially answered in Trout's very interesting post about one specific dive. That post is one of the rare gems that have come out of this forum precisely because this discussion has been public. >When that dude asked about deep stops, you were >pretending you knew the answers. I gave the best answer available outside the WKPP and the only answer the person asking the original question could use since he has access only to the available deco programs and conventional, generally accepted deco theory; he has no way to use deep-stops to shorten deco because that information is known only to the WKPP. Application of the best *publicly available* information will lengthen deep-stops. What other answer could I give? -Mike Rodriguez <mikey@ma*.co*> -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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