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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 22:18:34 -0500
From: Jeff Bentley <jeffbentley@mi*.co*>
To: Ken Sallot <sallot@mi*.co*>
CC: Mike Rodriguez <mikey@ma*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Who is "mike rodriquez"?
There has got to be some sushi for this guy.
Who is it? I wasted time telling the guy he is silly and
got sucked in.

Jeff

Ken Sallot wrote:

> Thanks for posting the deco schedules and your wealth of experience on
> deep stops. I haven't laughed that hard since I read the post about
> using a long tube gavin for "digging".
>
> Ken
>
> Mike Rodriguez wrote:
> >
> > At 05:31 AM 4/2/99 -0600, Jess Armantrout wrote:
> >
> > >>The purpose of deep-stops is to reduce the fatigue (generally
> > >>believed to be sub-clinical DCS) that is often associated
> > >>with deep/deco diving.
> > >
> > >
> > >no, it is for all symptoms of dcs.
> >
> > >From the Decom help file:
> >
> > "Divers utilizing deep stops report a lessened degree of
> > fatigue."
> >
> > I agree that deep-stops reduce all symptoms of DCS, not just
> > fatigue; however, in my conversations with divers who use
> > deep stops, I've found that most use them to reduce fatigue,
> > not to reduce other DCS symptoms.  This seems to be because
> > fatigue is very common after diving, while more serious
> > DCS symptoms are rare.  Also, most of the divers I've
> > spoken to use conservative deco schedules rather than deep-
> > stops to help avoid DCS.  If they also use deep-stops, they
> > do so to reduce fatigue.
> >
> > So, in this context, I stand behind my original statement.
> >
> > >>Note that deep-stops have not been demonstrated to decrease
> > >>the incidence of DCS, however deep-stops will almost
> > >>certainly NOT INCREASE the incidence of DCS.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >yes, deep stops have been demonstrated to decrease the incidence of dcs in
> > >Richard Pyle and in the WKPP mixed gas exploration divers.  Failure to de
> > >them has been demonstrated to increase dcs in the same subjects.
> >
> > >From the Decom help file:
> >
> > "The numbers are not in on any reduction of DCS
> > from this method. It will however NOT increase your rate
> > of DCS incidence."
> >
> > If there is newer information available, please point us to
> > it.  I'm very interested in reading it.
> >
> > >>Effectively, deeps-stops slow your ascent to prevent
> > >>sub-clinical DCS from beginning in your saturated
> > >>fast tissues yet keep your ascent fast enough to prevent
> > >>your slow tissues from loading up on N2/He.  In practice,
> > >>deep-stops add only a few (~5) minutes of deco time to
> > >>the typical tech dive.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >no, done correctly deep stops reduce deco time
> >
> > Generated by Decom:
> >
> > Deep stops = YES
> > Total deco time = *94*
> > Depth Time   DT
> >   200   30   30
> >   120    1   34
> >   110    1   35
> >   100    1   36
> >    90    1   37
> >    80    1   38
> >    70    3   41
> >    60    6   47
> >    50    7   54
> >    40   14   68
> >    30   20   88
> >    20   15  103
> >    10   24  127
> >
> > Deep stops = NO
> > Total deco time = *90*
> > Depth Time   DT
> >   200   30   30
> >    80    3   37
> >    70    3   40
> >    60    6   46
> >    50    7   53
> >    40   14   67
> >    30   18   85
> >    20   15  100
> >    10   24  124
> >
> > -Mike Rodriguez
> > <mikey@ma*.co*>
> >
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