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To: cdegler@be*.co*
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com, cavers@ca*.co*
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:08:18 -0500
Subject: Re: neophyte/quest for knowledge
From: Dave Dalton <dmdalton@ju*.co*>
Curt,

You might wish to be more aggressive in your pursuit of knowledge! It
will be a long time coming if you wait for it to show up in your e-mail
box. And, you will feel real dumb if you ask a question that was heavily
argued back and forth just before you got on the list! (the teacher lied,
there is such a thing as a dumb question - one that was answered while
you were snoozing!)

Suggest you do what I did/am still doing which is go back to the begining
of the lists (cavers & techdiver) and review each posting for content.
Those that are limited to four letter words or suggest activities you
feel can be better left to White House interns can be passed over very
quickly! In the rest you will find an incredible amount of VERY
worthwhile information (in my never to be humble opinion). I came to the
table with a similar background to you, 1st diving course
(pre-certification era) 1962, new to "tech" diving and never to old to
learn from someone who knows of what they are talking.  

You will also, over a period of time, figure out who the players are, who
was faking who, who speaks from experience and who creates situations out
of "whole cloth" for the apparent purpose of trying to justify their
(very weak) position.

Strongly suggest you get a copy of the video WKPP - Doing It Right II.
Best $30 you will every spend in diving. George Irvine and Bill Mee do an
incredible job. This alone will answer most of your questions. 

Dave
     

On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:30:32 -0800 Curt Degler <cdegler@be*.co*> writes:
>Bill,
>
>I'm an old diver(open water cert in 1975) but "new" to tech 
>diving(full
>cave 2/99). I've been lurking on this list for a few weeks, trying to
>learn something. What I've learned, up until your post on regs, is 
>that
>I was insufficiently trained in hand to hand combat in the cave
>environment, didn't learn nearly enough acronyms and abbreviations to
>understand cave/tech conversation, nor was I properly trained in
>arrogance, the use of epithets, or the putdown. During my training in
>the Yucatan I was informed that few of the cave groups spoke to each
>other in words longer than four letters. I can now see that this 
>style
>of conduct is nearly universal among North American Cave divers. This 
>
>explains the enigma of so many cavers diving solo in the Yucatan.
>
>Thanks to your excellently written explanation about regulators. I'll
>subscribe to this list a little longer, certainly make better 
>purchasing
>decisions, and maybe stay alive another hour or two.
>
>Please post your opinions and knowledge more often. 
>
>Curt
> 
>http://www.aquagraphy.com
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