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From: "Jess Armantrout" <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>
To: "Rick Fincher" <rnf@sp*.tb*.co*>, <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: Nobel prize winner dies at Wakulla
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:31:28 -0600
yes Rick, this death is our fault.  13 years is nowhere near enough time to
get that deathtrap working, even for a Noble Prize winner in physics.  And
11 years is not enough time to learn from the mistakes of your first
project.  And 5 years is not enough time to plan your second project, even
with a year delay in the starting date.  And 3 months is not enough time to
get to 8000 feet in perfect conditions

Do you realize the WKPP was at Wakulla 8 days in '98?  The 18 grand dive was
setup, executed and cleaned up in 36 hours.  If you want to know about time
pressure, ask George and Dawn how we have to beg for time to dive, how we
have to dive Thursdays and Fridays so as to not disturb the park, how we
have to put gear in before dawn and take it out after dark.  Let's talk
about how we all have real jobs and pay our own way instaed of going around
asking for handouts.  Try coming home from a weekend of diving, cleaning
your gear, fixing stuff that broke, mixing gas, filling tanks, repacking
gear and driving back to tallahasse the next weekend from up to 15 hours
away while putting in a 40 hour work week.  That my friend is time pressure.

Now let's talk about us helping stone...where do you see that we could have
been of help?  We emphasize teamwork, fitness, safety, redundancy, using
methods proven in shallower less complex systems, never training at wakulla,
using only seasoned vetrans and ALWAYS HAVING A BUDDY!

Chief, you don't have a clue.

Trout

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Fincher <rnf@sp*.tb*.co*>
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: Nobel prize winner dies at Wakulla


>snip...
>
>>  he was on a  Cis-Lunar RB, and he is confirmed died. They are claiming
that
>>  the 0-2 set point was not set properly, and yes, he did die in shallow
>>  water. Thats all I know for now.
>>
>>  Mike Bruic
>>   >>
>>
>>
>> I saw this on TV it never mentioned Wak-2 or Cave diving.  Well it has
finally
>> happened it is too bad that it had to come to this. This whole thing
never
>> should of happened in the first place. You cannot introduce so much new
>> untried technology into an equation and have it work.  This is why the
WKPP's
>> method of slow and easy...one new technology at a time with failsafe is
the
>> key to getting the job done and moving forward at the same time.
>>
>> Ray LaTulippe
>
>Then why did you put so much time pressure on those other guys? You guys
can be
>real proud. Instead of trying to help out you fought the other guys every
step
>of the way and sniped at them every chance you got. Now somebody is dead
and you
>can't wait to gloat.
>
>Rick
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