Sir;

I personally deplore your sometimes cocky attitude displayed in this mail
area BUT that said you are SPOT ON when it comes to the info in this thread
on vitamins etc. I'm 51 been diving now over 4 yrs and work out 5 times a
week. (nothing like you WKPP guys) when i started diving I was so out of
shape I scared my wife into thinking I was having a heart attack just from
some minor yard work that took me 30 min to get my breath back from. Now
thanks in a large part to the nutrients amino acids among them NO Steroids
and NO drugs and lots of careful work outs and diving i nor jog a 1 1/10
miles 3 times a week WITH 40 lbs of weight vest just for stamina and
endurance.

Am I an expert NOPE do I sell vitamins NOPE am I with WKPP NOPE not in
shape enough NOR brave enough BUT when you guys are RIGHT you ARE RIGHT.

With RESPECT for what you have and can do and NONE for your attitude in here.

L8R


At 04:02 AM 9/26/98 , Katherine V. Irvine wrote:
>Pete - as I told you I may just be entertaining myself with amino acids
>and with the anitoxidants ( vitamins ) that I use. They may do nothing.
>However, since they are at a physician's advice, and since the vitamins,
>minerals and extra protein are what they recommend to me for the amount
>of working out that I do, and since I am working out under the direct
>supervion of professional coaches and trainers, I am of the opinion that
>you are off base on this one. Pete, I see my doctors frequently, and in
>fact, two of them work out with me.
>
>I will agree with you on the fact that the most important thing is the
>workout itself, and there is no substitute. However, I have found that I
>can not eat enough in one day to get everything I deplete in these
>sessions, like the calcium and potassium , for example.
>
>My personal logic, from a non-scientific point of view, is that if the
>body believes it has to do the things I subject it to, it will do
>whatever it takes to do them. I am assuming that means it releases
>growth hormone to accomplish that - you are the doc, you tell me what
>that mechanism is. I am assuming it releases testosterone, since I get
>stronger when I do it. Again, you tell me.
>
>As far as your references to the Titanium Set - this is a joke, Pete,
>and you need to lighten up. You come out here blasting everyone with
>direct personal attacks, and then you cry like a baby when you get
>hammered, and of course you blame me, you want to complain, etc. 
>
>Read your own stuff, Pete, it looks like Mr Clark wrote that as well.
>Maybe you should turn yourself in to the "Feds".
>
>Are you really ten years older than I am? Maybe you should get a note
>from your doctor before diving. It will be pretty tough to claim "diver
>error " on you after all the yapping you have produced. 
>
>The WKPP does not appreciate your references to the "master race". This
>is typical bullshit . What we represent is the Master Results for anyone
>and everyone who approaches any of this with the right attitude. We are
>open to anyone and everyone, and we represent the best source of
>information in diving. Your mindless attacks on us and your crybabby
>whining when you get it back is unaccepable. 

>
>
>pH wrote:
>> 
>> This is the most extraordinary piece of unmitigated crap that I have
>> received in months - and that's saying a lot since my e-mail address
>> appears to be part of the WKPP spam list.
>> 
>> What staggers my belief is not that Bill Mee has been sucking bird shit so
>> long (ornithine 1 gram q d) - presumably at the direction of G4 - that his
>> memory has been completely destroyed. Not only does he not remember that *I
>> posted* the poor results of my beach entry performance on the scamahorn
>> seal course and *I* characterized my status as whale snot, but the onerous
>> dork seems to miss the following basic facts of life. But my age - older
>> than George Irvine by almost a decade - is not the issue. Your LIES are.
>> 
>> EXERCISE IS GOOD
>> POPPING DRUGS TO ENHANCE "SPORTS" PERFORMANCE IS BAD
>> 
>> What exactly is it about the above that the WKPP does not understand?????
>> 
>> And, after a few calls last week, I now know that I grossly misrepresented
>> Dan Volker's size. He has now reached almost urban myth proportions. So
>> come on Dan, tell us - as a member of the WKPP MasterRace - is it true that
>> your BMI lies somewhere between the GoodYear Blimp and the Hindenburg?
>> 
>> Far be it from me to caste aspersions on such a worthy group as the WKPP.
>> Merely because they represent themselves as purer and stronger than all
>> others. Can it be  that among them are some members of large and fat body
>> and possibly - could it be? - dark, swarthy hair! Say it aint so!
>> 
>> Out of the mouths of morons:
>> 
>> At 08:15 AM 9/25/98 -0400, Dan Volker wrote:
>> >The aminos that George is using are widely known in the supplement
>> >industry as GH stimulants - they have shown in some studies to be
effective
>> >in increasing your growth hormone release naturally ...The underlying
>> thing here is >that it can be beneficial and in no way could be detrimental
>> - so it is worth a shot to >everyone interested in increasing their
>> condition. ......
>> 
>> What an unbelieveable piece of self-promoting, DANGEROUS, hosing,
>> horseshit! Please note the absence of ANY verifiable facts.
>> 
>> Several years ago, I entered the techdiver fray by calling Brett Gilliam,
>> when he said that you could dive a pO2 of 1.9 without consequence - "The
>> average sport diver couldn't stay down long enough to get into trouble from
>> the CNS clock - the only risk."
>> 
>> So today, there's another bunch of potentially life-threatening crap being
>> pushed by George Irvine III, Bill Mee, Trout and others of the WKPP spam
team:
>> 
>> Mega-doses of drugs to enhance your dive performance is nothing more than
>> another the "deep-air" scam.
>> 
>> It offers instant success/fame to the uninitiated - and may come back to
>> bite you in the butt with mental problems (Lord knows the WKPP has plenty
>> of those) heart problems and at best a big ego.
>> 
>> And George, re your "titanium balls" you boasted to me in private? Just
>> remember:
>> 
>> Titanium Burns
>> 
>> pH
>> 
>>
>
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