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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:33:18 -0800
From: Garrett Weinberg <scubait@ix*.ne*.co*>
To: Mat Bloedorn <mbloedorn@ya*.co*>
CC: Steven Bliim <Steven.Bliim@Mc*.co*.au*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Deco and Co2 Re: gauges on deco : to be or not to be
Trained on the REMO kit at DEMA.

It is an O2 surface rebreather which will turn the Jumbo D cylinder into a six
hour supply of oxygen using a low constant flow rate from the O2 regulator (at
..5 liters/minute).

Nice idea and well executed including a good user checklist. Most of the guts of
the unit is intended for "one-time" use. At $195 it is not intended to be for
casual use. However, nothing can stop a user from replacing the soda lime with
what ever you use with your rebreather  [:-)]  and the tubing can be cleaned
using the same techniques that we use to clean rebreather bags and counter
lungs.

Again, I would keep it in my truck along side my DAN kit and my usual Deco
tanks. If I were three or four hours away from the nearest chamber, I would
certainly break it out and make serious use of it.



Mat Bloedorn wrote:

> It is that simple.  Out of gas, and the deco is over.
>
> You can try to improve the situation by having some emergency O2 on
> the surface for use on the surface.  If you have surface support, well
> then even better. Maybe they can bring you some extra gas.
>
> Either way skip breathing doesn't seem to be the answer especially if
> you are pushing the PO2 limits for that paricular dive.  This just
> doesn't seem smart.
>
> Any body used the DAN "REMO" system?  It appear to be an O2 rebreather
> for surface emergency use.  They say you get about 6X extension out of
> your emergency O2.
>
> Mat.
>
> ---Steven Bliim <Steven.Bliim@Mc*.co*.au*> wrote:
> >
> > It seems that Greg may have missed the point about deco and
> breathing. Sure,
> > if you are in that situation you try and relax and reduce your
> breathing
> > rate, but if he also meant to try and deliberately not breathe as
> much, what
> > is the benefit? By reducing his breathing he reduces the opportunity
> to
> > eliminate nitrogen and loads up on CO2.
> >
> >
> >       What is this?
> >
> >       When you are out of gas your deco is over. Simple huh?!
> >
> >       Feel free to load up on CO2... that ought to be interesting...
> >       Modify your breathing indeed.... sounds like some kind of Tai Chi
> > BS.
> >
> >
> >       Jeff
> >
> >
> >       Greg Kuiper wrote:
> >
> >               Jeff Bentley,
> >
> >               Of course I meant the comment "to modify your breathing if
> > you are short
> >               on deco gas".
> >
> >               If an emergency situation comes up that causes me to extend
> > my
> >               decompression and I don't have enough deco gas or back gas
> > then I am
> >               going to slow down my breathing to extend my deco. as long
> > as possible
> >               before surfacing.
> >
> >               Example:
> >               360' trimix dive,  Buddy gets entagled in wreck and has back
> > gas failure
> >               due to a number of reasons. He shares long hose with me and
> > it takes an
> >               additional twenty minutes to get him free and to the first
> > deco stop.
> >               We both now have an awful lot of deco ahead and not enough
> > gas at our
> >               current breathing rate.
> >
> >               Do you think it would it would be better to continue
> > breathing at a
> >               normal pace and blow your decompression or slow down your
> > breathing,
> >               relax and get as much deco as possible?
> >
> >               It is easy to cut your breathing in half at deco if you
> > think about it.
> >
> >               Greg Kuiper
> >
> >       --
> >       Jeff Bentley
> >       jeffbentley@mi*.co*
> >       <http://www.mindspring.com/~jeffbentley>
> >
> > Regards
> > Steven Bliim
> >
> >
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> <P><FONT COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial">It seems that Greg may have
> missed the point about deco and breathing. Sure, if you are in that
> situation you try and<B> relax</B> and reduce your breathing rate, but
> if he also meant to try and deliberately not breathe as much, what is
> the benefit? By reducing his breathing he reduces the opportunity to
> eliminate nitrogen and loads up on CO2.</FONT></P>
> <BR>
> <UL>
> <P><FONT COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial">What is this? </FONT>
> </P>
>
> <P><FONT COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial">When you are out of gas your
> deco is over. Simple huh?! </FONT>
> </P>
>
> <P><FONT COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial">Feel free to load up on CO2...
> that ought to be interesting...<BR>
> Modify your breathing indeed.... sounds like some kind of Tai Chi
> BS.<BR>
>   </FONT>
> </P>
>
> <P><FONT COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial">Jeff<BR>
>   </FONT>
> </P>
>
> <P><FONT COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial">Greg Kuiper wrote: </FONT>
> </P>
> <UL>
> <P><FONT COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial">Jeff Bentley, </FONT>
> </P>
>
> <P><FONT COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial">Of course I meant the comment
> "to modify your breathing if you are short<BR>
> on deco gas". </FONT>
> </P>
>
> <P><FONT COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial">If an emergency situation comes
> up that causes me to extend my<BR>
> decompression and I don't have enough deco gas or back gas then I am<BR>
> going to slow down my breathing to extend my deco. as long as
> possible<BR>
> before surfacing. </FONT>
> </P>
>
> <P><FONT COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial">Example:<BR>
> 360' trimix dive,  Buddy gets entagled in wreck and has back gas
> failure<BR>
> due to a number of reasons. He shares long hose with me and it takes
> an<BR>
> additional twenty minutes to get him free and to the first deco
> stop.<BR>
> We both now have an awful lot of deco ahead and not enough gas at
> our<BR>
> current breathing rate. </FONT>
> </P>
>
> <P><FONT COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial">Do you think it would it would
> be better to continue breathing at a<BR>
> normal pace and blow your decompression or slow down your breathing,<BR>
> relax and get as much deco as possible? </FONT>
> </P>
>
> <P><FONT COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial">It is easy to cut your breathing
> in half at deco if you think about it. </FONT>
> </P>
>
> <P><FONT COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial">Greg Kuiper</FONT>
> </P>
> </UL>
> <P><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">--<BR>
> Jeff Bentley<BR>
> jeffbentley@mi*.co*<BR>
> </FONT><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"><<A
> HREF="http://www.mindspring.com/~jeffbentley"
>
TARGET="_blank">http://www.mindspring.com/~jeffbentley</A>></FONT></U>
> </P>
> </UL>
> <P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Regards</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Steven Bliim</FONT>
> </P>
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