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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:12:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*>
To: David Reinhard <reinhard@oc*.co*.au*>
cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: useful pony bottles ( was which course& school)
You'd never be able to breath a tank down much below the IP, anyway.  I've
sucked my O2 bottle dry numerous times, and there is always some gas left
in it.



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Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*>

Northwest Labor Systems
http://www.nwls.com
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On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, David Reinhard wrote:

> >>>I will admit it, on two occasions I have needed to use my pony bottle. Both
> >>>times were in no-deco situations, and I didn't have enough gas in my tank
> >>>to complete my safety stop without draining my main tank below 500 psi.
> >
> >Or maybe everything would've come out okay -- I wouldn't've been bent and
> >my tanks would have passed inspection for another year, and 
> 
> 
> >From the above comments it would seem you are concerned about "damaging"
> your tanks if they should happen to go below 500psi. If you completely
> drain your tanks there is a chance that water may enter the tank, which
> clearly is not desirable. You do not however need 500psi for this purpose.
> As long as the tank pressure is slightly higher than the ambient water
> pressure water will not enter the tank. For a shallow stop you won't need
> much pressure at all, probably 50psi would be plenty. In fact if you are
> still able to take unrestricted breaths off the tank (even if it is very
> low) then the pressure inside must be higher than the pressure outside and
> water will not enter. So in fact 500 psi was probably more than enough to
> complete a safety stop without using your pony.
> 	If fact some people argue that there is little point in getting back in
> the boat with 500psi still in your tank when you could have used that gas
> to extend your safety stop and therefore decrease your risk of bends. (This
> of course would only be advisable in "uncomplicated" circumstances where
> you are unlikely to need the 500psi to extract yourself from some other
> situation)
> 
> PS - I otherwise agree with your comments on ponies! I use one regularly
> and can see no point whatsoever in lugging around twin tanks on
> recreational dives where a twin tank and a pony will provide you with all
> the redundancy you could ever want.
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