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I think the purpose of this list is 2 fold.  One is to discuss among us
"tech divers" experiences, configurations, and general things that work
and don't.  I think this other is to educate those who are not "tech
divers" and want information or wish to become one themselves.

I agree this horse is dead and buried.  At a minimum I think we all came
to the agreement that singles deco diving is bad, using the pony as a
regular air source is bad, not properly planning gas management is bad
and doubles are optimal.  I'll stop there cause anything else will
probably cause more postings on the subject.  I'm sure someone will
respond to this one and only make the thread longer...

Art.
(Oh my God I dived a pony and lived to tell about it... :-))


	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Ingemar Lundgren
[SMTP:ingemar.lundgren@mb*.sw*.se*]
	Sent:	Tuesday, January 19, 1999 6:00 PM
	To:	Rubrifolia@ao*.co*
	Cc:	cobber@ci*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com
	Subject:	Re: Pony thread

	Pony bottles, hmm....  Is this the correct list to discuss this
shit?  I suggest
	you discuss this on the rec. scuba list instead. I thought we
were supposed to
	discuss technical diving here....

	Rubrifolia@ao*.co* wrote:

	> In a message dated 1/19/99 9:59:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,
	> cobber@ci*.co* writes:
	>
	> <<
	>
	>  I have accomplished what I set out to do with this pony
thread. That is
	>  to encourage you all to think about why you use a pony rather
than
	>  mindlessly strapping one on the side of your tank because
it's seems like
	>  the cool thing to do.
	>
	>  I hope that this new level of consciousness about ponys will
encorage
	>  those deco diving with a single and a pony to reconsider what
they are
	>  doing. Considering this is "techdiver" I was kind of
surprized as to the
	>  outpouring of support for large ponys, which makes me
suspicious as to
	>  what you "techdivers" are doing out there.
	>
	>  >>
	> Once again your arrogance is boggling.....without you none of
us would be able
	> to think through our gear and our gear choices.....all those
boat rides spent
	> noodling around gear, gear configurations and choices just
never happen....all
	> those dinners where the non-diving friends fall asleep in the
mashed potatoes
	> while the divers debate details just dont happen
	>
	> YOU are the one with blinders on ...the  only correct way from
your argument
	> is doubles...the reallity is that many people for many reasons
will use
	> singles and the reality is, or should be, to create as safe
and complete air
	> package as can be done......only your way is the correct
way....and only your
	> experiences...which from reading your posts is fairly
limited......are used as
	> validation.....yes, from a tech forum you got many
responses,......where do
	> tech divers come from???, they come from single
tankers.....many divers --not
	> yet tech, or on the borderline--as we all know from our
private e mails--read
	> this forum.....
	>
	> We are all part of a small community, the dive
community....you stated that
	> you are surprised that boats up here babysit divers.....again,
what blind
	> arrogance....boats are the great continuum of the
community....boats are where
	> the diver meets the reality of the ocean instead of the pool
or
	> quarry....boats are where the diver learns to be a
diver....where divers give
	> of their experience to the not yet divers....not by brass ball
waving....at
	> least not  all the time.....the boats I have sailed on were
run by folks who
	> live and breathe and eat diving....and they want safe,
complete, competent
	> divers....therefore they will spend time with
divers....talking, teaching,
	> directing, guiding.....we all started out clumsy klutzes with
all kinds of
	> gear all over the place....it took boats and going out
continuallly to get the
	> program together.....
	>
	> So, again, as I see it, but one of my boat Captains may step
in to fine tune
	> this:
	>
	> Single tanker should carry a pony used as a completely
redundant, emergency
	> air source...if its not mounted corrrectly, banging around or
hanging you up,
	> get someone on the boat deck to help you out...if there isnt
anyone on that
	> deck, get yourself to a better boat....
	>
	> Once your dive profiles start requiring more gas....move on to
doubles....
	>
	> Once your dive profiles start requiring more gas ....move on
to
	> stages.....bigger bottles, bigger bottles, bigger
bottles,,,,,<g>
	>
	>
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