i'm trying real hard to follow some of your lines of thinking & i can't help finding some cotradictions. you want people to have a redundant system (but it's either doubles or a 6cu ft pony). i submit that a 6 cu ft is insufficient for just about any safe emergency situation. please remember we are not talking about a "master" such as yourself. we are talking about a relativly new diver just getting him/herself used to all of the intracasies of diving & improving his own abilities in the process. he/her probablly has a high sac rate to start with -how far do you think they will get on a 6ft tank if they have to come up from depth & do some kind of safety (or god forbid they got forced into a real deco situation)stop? you see no problem using the "stove Pipe" type lights that weigh in at 16 lbs or better & are worn on one side of you body(on the boat these a somewhat out of balance & can be awkward for some divers). you see the concept of "pony redundancy" a practice in protecting against a once in a blue moon problem. your original post attempted or recomended that if they were going to use a pony then they should dive DIR system. don't you think that the the diver we are taking of here that this is a slightly overzealous approach. rememwe reall don't want to overburden the new diver to the point he gets scared or intimidated into not diving any more. you mention divers "croaking left & right" -- take a good look at the statistics on this & you will obviously be suprised to find that the "right & left "guys only reprsent less than 10% of the losses in any given year. purhapse some of the other deaths (& bends cases) could have been assisted with a pony. the answer to that by the way is no one knows for sure, but that's whar DIR is all about -being prepared for the problem. BTW pointing out to someone that the way they have mounted there pony is causing them difficulty - is not being the macho guy - most people will take it as help & not criticism-it all depends how you present it. calling them or implying that they a f--k ups due to there gear usually gets the wrong response. i hope i've got most of your arguments in here the bottom line here is that we are all trying to get the diver to advance to the point that they recognize the value of doubles, & develope the desire to get them. pushing them into them to soon creats more problems then they(the newer diver) can handle. a slower transition in my experience seems to make them better divers when the make the switch. there are plenty of things to argue over i would rather take the similarities we have & move from there. hank In a message dated 1/15/1999 8:09:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, cobber@ci*.co* writes: << My argument on this is what are the odds of gear failure vs. the hassel of a pony? Every day thousands of dives are successfully completed using a single 80 with one reg. Divers are croaking right and left and from what I've seen the vast majority could not have been helped by a pony. Look at the Aquacorps death archive and come up with one example of those fiascos where a pony would have helped over proper training and experience. Like I said over and over if air is the issue then do it right and get a set of doubles. I don't have a problem with having tons of air, it's just that it needs to be there when you need it. This is called getting a set of doubles. > >>our right, I was, and getting doubles made me a much better diver. It was during my pony days that I almost quit the sport because of my dislike of my gear setup. So far I have seen at least 10 of the guys' that I regularly dive with get rid of their ponys and move to doubles for all the right reasons. Lots of smiling faces on the way back in. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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