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From: <GarlooEnt@ao*.co*>
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 05:43:34 EST
To: cobber@ci*.co*, Rubrifolia@ao*.co*, Wahoojan@ao*.co*,
     techdiver@aquanaut.com
Cc: ft@ao*.co*
Subject: Re: usefull pony bottles ( was which course& school)
i'm trying real hard to follow some of your lines of thinking & i can't help
finding some cotradictions.
you want people to have a redundant system (but it's either doubles or a 6cu
ft pony). 
       i submit that a 6 cu ft is insufficient for just about any safe
emergency situation. please remember we are not talking about a "master" such
as yourself. we are talking about a relativly new diver just getting
him/herself used to all of the intracasies of diving & improving his own
abilities in the process. he/her probablly has a high sac rate to start with
-how far do you think they will get on a 6ft tank if they have to come up from
depth & do some kind of safety (or god forbid they got forced into a real deco
situation)stop?

you see no problem using the "stove Pipe" type lights that weigh in at 16 lbs
or better & are worn on one side of you body(on the boat these a somewhat out
of balance & can be awkward for some divers).
you see the concept of "pony redundancy" a practice in protecting against a
once in a blue moon problem.

your original post attempted  or recomended that if they were going to use a
pony then they should dive DIR system. don't you think that the the diver we
are taking of here that this is a slightly overzealous approach. rememwe reall
don't want to overburden the new diver to the point he gets scared or
intimidated into not diving any more.

you mention divers "croaking left & right" -- take a good look at the
statistics on this & you will obviously be suprised to find that the "right &
left "guys only reprsent less than 10% of the losses in any given year.
purhapse some of the other deaths (& bends cases) could have been assisted
with a pony.  the answer to that by the way is no one knows for sure, but
that's whar DIR is all about -being prepared for the problem.

BTW pointing out to someone that the way they have mounted there pony is
causing them difficulty - is not being the macho guy - most people will take
it as help & not criticism-it all depends how you present it.
calling them or implying that they a f--k ups due to there gear usually gets
the wrong response.

i hope i've got most of your arguments in here

the bottom line here is that we are all trying to get the diver to advance to
the point that they recognize the value of doubles, & develope the desire to
get them.
pushing them into them to soon creats more problems then they(the newer diver)
can handle.
a slower transition in my experience seems to make them better divers when the
make the switch.
there are plenty of things to argue over i would rather take the similarities
we have & move from there. 
hank




In a message dated 1/15/1999 8:09:55 AM Pacific Standard Time,
cobber@ci*.co* writes:

<< My argument on this is what are the odds of gear failure vs. the
hassel 
 of a pony? Every day thousands of dives are successfully completed using 
 a single 80 with one reg. Divers are croaking right  and left and from 
 what I've seen the vast majority could not have been helped by a pony. 
 Look at the Aquacorps death archive and come up with one example of those 
 fiascos where a pony would have helped over proper training and 
 experience.
Like I said over and over if air is the issue then do it right and get a 
set of doubles. I don't have a problem with having tons of air, it's just 
that it needs to be there when you need it. This is called getting a set 
of doubles.
 > >>our right, I was, and getting doubles made me a much better diver. It 
was during my pony days that I almost quit the sport because of my 
dislike of my gear setup. So far I have seen at least 10 of the guys' 
that I regularly dive with get rid of their ponys and move to doubles for 
all the right reasons. Lots of smiling faces on the way back in.

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