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Janet- When I bash something like a pony it is from personal experience, I did not pull my critisizems out of my ass. And using a pony to practice for using doubles? Man, talk about bullshit! Come on, Janet, what on earth are you talking about here? You practice for doubles by wearing doubles. How do you practice valve drills with a pony? Hell, most people who have ponys can't even reach the damn valve. You're going to have to do better that this... -If you can't reach the surface with the air that's in your tank after you've had a LP hose failure you should not be diving. -You get a DIN valve to get rid of the "oring failure phobia". -How about inspecting your gear before you dive in? Oh, to hell with that, I've got a PONY. -So you're telling me that you can strap a 40lb piece of lead to the side of your BC and not feel it? Oh, come on, it's downright comical to see the ponyboys stagger around the deck with their silly jacket BCs half pulled off from the pony bottle. - Why can't you just manage your air supply? You can dive to 80' on a 40 if you know when it's time to turn around. What is your problem with proper air mgmt? -Fencing invisible dragons is a popular side-line with scuba divers. Some guys look like fucking chrismas trees what with all their whistles, clips, mirrors, lights, bags, sacks, knives hanging all over them. Ponys are the worst of the lot. I have not forgotten my roots. As a matter of fact I thank the pony for quickening my switch to doubles. When I had a pony my thought after every dive was "man, the fucking pony sucks, theres got to be a better way". And there was! And don't go throwing that implied "nazi cave diver" crap at me. As I have said dozens of times on this list, I really don't care how screwed up a rig people choose to dive with. It makes absolutely no difference to me what horrors folks try to put themselves through before they see the light. I am just trying to save some folks some dough and keep them from making the same mistakes I've made, nothing more. And I really don't like the "I've got more dives than God, therefore I know everything and am much smarter than you" crowd like you dispensing the DEMA party line all the time, fuck all that. There's a better way now, wake up and smell the roses, use your brain and quit dispensing the same old bullshit. Hey, Tony, I am sorry to say that you South Florida divers seems to have caught on, hell I watched it happen on the Skycliffe tape, we are still in the dark ages up here in the great white north. Jim Sender: Wahoojan@ao*.co* Date: 1/14/99 5:10 PM >In a message dated 1/14/99 3:58:56 PM EST, cobber@ci*.co* writes: > ><< So Janet, let me get this straight, the reason to have a pony is to make > up for poor air management... Is this why your boat has 2 engines, its > because you don't feel like checking the oil so you are covered if an > engine seizes up? > Dont be ridiculous...but of course two engines are better.....redundancy , >so that if you do have a failure you can limp in ( you have a long wait >for a >tow from the canyon ) or steer in the case of a hydralic system failure >.....the reason many small boat people have a small second out board motor >on their transom , why they are required to have a paddle > My argument is not against 30cuft tanks, buy as many as you want. Nor did > I mention anything about octos. > > The situation is what exactly are you planning for when you strap a huge, > clunky 30cuft pony on your back that, in theory, you are only supposed to > use once in an blue moon? > you are planning for the failure of the first stage of the regulator , or an >o ring failure , or a low pressure hose failure , or some one else needing >air >, you breath the pony and give them your long hose ... the same thing you >are >planning for with a y-valve with the added advantage of more volume ...and a >versitle peice of eqiupment with many uses > The back mounted pony screws up your balance on EVERY DIVE, the back > mounted pony snags crap ON EVERY DIVE, the back mounted pony is a dead > weight you drag around ON EVERY DIVE. Yet, in theory, you should > practically never need it. And if you are calling a 30 pony a "stage" > then you are deco diving with a single? > oh dont bull shit me .... screws up your balance , you gotta be kidding >...they do not ...when mounted so they are against the back plate or pack , >not any more than a canister light or a single stage or an argon bottle . >SNAGS .....snags what bullshit , they dont snag any more than doubles ...oh >and a y-valve is a snag free device ...yeah right ....EVERY DIVE is a >decompression dive whether there is a staged decompression stop or not , >a 30 >can be a nice stage even if you are diving with doubles...you dont always >need 300 cu ft of deco gas ....there are dive plans that call for only 30 >minutes of deco ... dead weight ....then by your theory so is the isolator >valve in a manifold .....you practically never neet to shut it and the >valve >to a failed regulator , so is the air bag in a car , so is hard hats on a >construction site > No, this is strokery at it's finest. You really should know better than > this, Janet, I am truly disappointed. > jim dont forget your roots ....people need a transition from singles to >doubles . a pony is only slightly heaver than a single , but gives the >oppurtunity to practice skills needed for doubles diving , i am sure you did >not progress from a single 80 in 30 feet or water to double manifolded >steel tanks from one dive to the next ....and a pony is not something you >have to throw away when you progress to tecnical diving , my rule of >thumb is >if you cant free dive it then you need an alternate air source to dive it on >scuba . you sound like a lotto winner that wont associate with anybody from >the old neighborhood now that you are mr trimix ....its cave gear or ...its >wrong > > Jim > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------- Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/trimix.html -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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