Jim,

Vinny is from England, and in England they use these funny little boats
called "RIBs".  If you take a set of stuporwings, inflate them fully, and
set them on the water, they look a lot like a RIB.  Now, I've heard rumors
that guys in England actually carry outboard motors in plastic tubes
attached to the side of their backplates so they can get home on their
stuporwings if they get stranded at sea.

Walter


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
To: vpg@li*.ne* <vpg@li*.ne*>; Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Date: Thursday, November 19, 1998 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: Bondage Wings and things


>As everybody on the lists know, I don't like stuporwings. I have done
>dozens of posts outlining in excruciating detail the drawbacks of these
>things and others have done dozens of posts supporting my opinion. But I
>have been getting hate mail from those stuck with these POS, they can't
>sell them or even give them away now, thanks to me.
>
>So I have revised my position. Vinney, stuporwings are the best, please
>purchase your stuporwings from the poor slobs trying to sell them on this
>and the cavers list. And I also recommend, seeing how you are a firm
>believer in backups, that you purchase 2 pair.That way you will have 4
>bladders all together, which, as you already know, is twice as good as
>two.
>
>I propose, however, that you do not write your name with indelible ink on
>your wings because these units have had so many owners, some are starting
>to look like a innercity subway wall and are a real eyesore.
>
> Jim
>
>Sender: vpg  Date: 11/19/98 11:50 AM
>
>>Hello everyone,
>>
>>Im pretty new to this but willing to learn, Im looking for some advice on
>>equipment, initially a good set of wings.
>>
>>My first thought was the Dive-rite superwings but a couple of guys at my
>>club are using OMS wings and swear by them ( Im based in the UK and Im
>>interested in wreck diving ). The concept of the bungee cords seems good
to
>>me, the guys who dive with them think they are great and have had no
>>problems but I get the feeling from you guys that they are not such a good
>>thing????????
>>
>>Im reviewing my set up and approach to equipment and believe that you
should
>>be primarily self sufficient, to be able to deal with all emergencies
>>independantly and that your buddy is effectively a bonus. I base this on
the
>>fact that if equipment is not 100% predictable, your buddy 50 metres down
is
>>less predictable and if something happens to him then your solo anyway.
Dont
>>take that the wrong way, I know in practice you can rely on the guy you
dive
>>with but Im talking in a worst case analysis or risk assesment.
>>
>>I can see the value of streamling or simplifying but I believe you still
>>need backup systems. To argue against that goes against logic, equipment
>>fails.period. How you recover from that is the next question, this goes
>>beyond diving ( Im an engineer by profession ).
>>
>>Ive diversed slightly, what I was after was logical, fact based reasons
why
>>bondage wings are at best useless and in somecases fatal. What I dont
>>understand as an engineer is that someone can say the bungee cords
restrict
>>the wings ability to inflate underwater? if I can inflate them fully at
the
>>surface then I can do the same underwater, if the relief valve doesnt open
>>on the surface it wont under water. The increased pressure required to
>>inflate the bladder underwater is offset by the increased pressure on the
>>relief valve before it opens ie, ambient pressure - that is an engineering
>>fact not an irrational theory.
>>
>>Im not saying OMS is great or bondage wings are great, Im trying to make
an
>>informed choice, some of what Ive read goes against the experiance of OMS
>>users I know, how many of the guys here with violent opposition to these
>>wings have used them to any extent? Im very interested in your comments
but
>>please respond in an intelligent manner, Im not interested in some of the
>>personal insults flying around :)
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Vinny.
>>England.
>>
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