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From: "Paltz, Art" <Art.Paltz@R2*.CO*>
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: RE: faluse advertising, More lies by Barry
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:08:44 -0400
Amazing!  I've never heard anyone I know not giving the WKPP credit.  I
DO keep hearing people make claims that they don't.  I know a lot of
people that don't like the WKPP but all of them give them credit.  They
have done some massive penetrations, lots of research and have a great
track record in a nitch (caves) that has a bad reputation for deaths!

As for people steeling designs and using peoples names without their
permissions.  If it's against the law and you have a claim then take it
to Judge Judy (court).  Otherwise stop whining about it!

Can we now get back to some diving related topics like the Wahoo's
80-foot ladder and Zebco fishing line.... (I couldn't resist s_lindblom
and Kevin)!  :-)

Art.

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Erik Standt [SMTP:deepgasdvr@ho*.co*]
	Sent:	Friday, October 16, 1998 7:55 PM
	To:	rat@ne*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com;
AMERUWLITE@ao*.co*; kens@ac*.ne*; kirvine@sa*.ne*;
JDA000@ao*.co*
	Subject:	Re: faluse advertising, More lies by Barry

	Seems to me most WKPP guys won't use the AUL lights because the
bottoms 
	fall out. And on top of that most of the guys hate Arnold
Jackson 
	because he was the one putting the WKPP name on gear he sold
without 
	telling anyone on the WKPP. who is trying to make the buck? the
fact 
	that Arnold tried to use their name on his gear to promote sales
is 
	completely underhanded. And now we hear that Trader John is
stealing 
	designs of pee valves. When will it end and WKPP get the credit
they 
	deserve.

	Erik

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	>Subject: Re: faluse advertising, More lies by Barry
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	>In a message dated 10/15/98 1:45:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
	rat@ne*.co*
	>writes:
	>
	><< John, you stupid fuck,
	>     I wrote to you personally and you seem to want to make
things 
	personal. I
	>liked the way YOU put in rat@ne*.co* (Barry Miller,
Extreme 
	Exposure) as
	>I was writing you as a team member and as you can see never
mentioned 
	EE. 
	> I did not say anything about the name of any product that AUL
makes, 
	and he
	>does make a fine product. I simply said that "John, nobody uses
this 
	light on
	>our team." this includes George, he made the dive on a nicad
light you 
	stupid
	>fuck. And what is this about,>>
	>
	>Barry,  I spoke to George 2 hours ago,  He said that he
personally 
	dives an
	>AUL light spectrum version.  
	>Are you know calling George a liar?
	>I will not mention in this forum what George said about you
designing 
	lights
	>and the quality of them.  
	>I know the history between you and Arnold Jackson and the way
you had 
	stuck
	>him.  
	>
	> BTW: For all the people that do not feel like reading this
entire 
	message
	> George Irvine, WKPP director does consider AUL lights more
than 
	appropriate
	> for all WKPP dives. 
	> 
	> <<John you stupid fuck, I said nothing about this. I will
remind you 
	again
	>what I said," While I was there, I noticed you advertised that
the
	> AUL 100 was used by many of the WKPP. John, nobody uses this
light on 
	our"
	> Now John you stupid fuck, I will tell you what I think of you 
	personally. I
	>think that you were one load your mother should have swallowed
since it 
	seems
	>that the best part of you ran down your mothers leg!! John you
stupid 
	fuck,
	>unlike you, I am not trying to sell gear to everyone with this
e-mail, 
	but to
	>point out what a stupid fuck you really are. John you stupid
fuck, 
	NEVER
	>change any header of an e-mail that I send you to try to sell
gear. 
	NEVER try
	>to say again that I put down anyones gear as I DID NOT SAY
ANYTHING TO 
	YOU IN
	>THE PERSONAL LETTER I SENT YOU. 
	> 
	> Barry,  Just in case you have not figured it out yet I do take
my 
	business
	>seriously.  I am in the business to make money.  I sell only
quality 
	products
	>and provide great service.   I am not going to call you names
on this 
	forum as
	>I do not see what good it will do.  I do not see any reason to
play 
	games with
	>you.  
	>
	>John "The Stupid Fuck" Allen
	>Owner John's Scuba Equipment.
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