Phi Le wrote on Sunday, October 18, 1998 9:45 PM : -


>OK, I am sorry for the misunderstanding. Let me rephrase...


Bravo.  Clinton would have been s....o proud of you.

>Some of the IANTD Instructor Trainers were wearing DUI drysuits in 30C
(88F)
>water (with or without 400 gram Thinsulate ?) while wearing double steel
120
>(14L) tanks, multiple steel stages and OMS double wings. The rest of the
>IANTD Instructor Trainers were wearing 3mm wetsuits while wearing double
>steel 12L (100ft^3), multiple steel stages and Dive-Rite double wings. Some
>divers were using Apollo scooters on air at 67m while the rest swam on
>tri-mix. All were decoed on Nitrox 50, 60, 70 and 80.
>
>So where do you fit in this group ?


I was not part of the group (the use of the phrase "I have been informed" in
my earlier post would have been indicative of the fact).

>So if you were awared that the wrecks were visited earlier by another
group,
>why then proclaimed 'virgin' dives ?

I'll not comment on the spelling and grammar, but it may assist the
discussion if you are able to differentiate Khoo's post from mine.

>
>Hogarthian - YES, DIR - YES, personal preference - YES, but these guys were
>just a bunch of guys go out on a live-aboard for some fun diving, not a
>collection of IANTD finests.


Fascinating.  If it's not too much trouble, kindly assist the jury in their
deliberation by clarifying the following : -

(i)    The type of insulation, harness and wings, cylinders (including stage
bottles), diver propulsion vehicles, ALL the TDI participants were using on
that trip;
(ii)    The type and mix of gas (including bottom, travel [if any], deco [if
any]) used on that trip;
(iii)    The names of the wrecks dived and the dive/deco profiles;
(iv)    Whether you were part of the TDI led expedition; and lastly
(v)    How many of "the bunch of guys.. out for some fun diving" were
members of the TDI Explorers Club.

Alternatively, you may wish to claim the right to silence to prevent
incriminating yourself and/or "the bunch of guys ... out for some fun
diving".

"... [A] collection of IANTD's finests"?  Hmm .... this is an accolade
neither expressly or impliedly claimed in Khoo's post.  The presumption, is
all yours, I'm afraid.


Respectfully yours,

Nick,
Singapore

>> ----------
>> From: Nicholas F Cheong[SMTP:morpheus@ma*.co*.sg*]
>> Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 2:26 PM
>> To: Phi Le; List - Technical Diver
>> Subject: Re: Famous WW II Wrecks
>>
>> Phi Le wrote .....
>>
>> >A bunch of IANTD Instructor Trainers are diving on air with twin steel
>> 120,
>> >multiple steel stages while wearing 3mm wetsuit and OMS wings, taking
>> Apollo
>> >scooters to 67m, deco on Nitrox 60 and 70, (may be butt-mounted) MLS
>> lights.
>>
>>
>> I have been informed that those diving the 120s were using the DUIs.
>>
>> >And by the way, those wrecks were visited by another group of 18 divers
>> just
>> >weeks before taken the same live-aboard. The films of the subs are with
>> the
>> >Dutch Navy.
>>
>>
>> Hm, fascinating.  Which wrecks did they cover specifically? Were these 18
>> divers part of a TDI led expedition?
>>
>> Care to shed some light on the participants' equipment configuration?
>> Specifics, please.  Hogarthian? DIR? Personal preference?
>>
>>
>> Nick,
>> Singapore
>> >> ----------
>> >> From: Khoo Soo Seng[SMTP:khooss@si*.co*.sg*]
>> >> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 1998 4:52 AM
>> >> To: techdiver
>> >> Subject: Famous WW II Wrecks
>> >>
>> >> IANTD SE ASIA has successfully conducted an Expedition to the
following
>> >> famous WW II wrecks along the Malaysian Coast.
>> >>
>> >> A total of eight IANTD trainned Technical Divers (3 from Singapore, 2
>> from
>> >> IANTD Sweden, & 3 from Russia) lead by Soo Seng Khoo of IANTD SE Asia
>> >> executed about 80 dives on the following wrecks, which was not visited
>> by
>> >> any Technical Divers before.
>> >>
>> >> 1. Battle Cruiser - HMS "Repulse"
>> >> A 242 Meter (799 ft) 32,000 Ton Battle Cruiser built in 1916
>> >> refurbished in 1941 with modern Armaments to join the WW II in SE
Asia.
>> On
>> >> 10 December 1941, she suffered extensive torpedo hits on her Port (10)
>> &
>> >> Starboard (4) sides and a 250 Kg Bomb on her deck from the three
groups
>> of
>> >> Japanese Torpedo-carrying Bettys. Now lies on her Port side at a depth
>> of
>> >> 60 meters (200 ft). Many of her artillery were visible, i.e. The 40mm
>> Pom
>> >> Pom Guns, 20mm Oerlikon Guns, & 102mm Canons. Projectiles for the
>> canons
>> >> were armed and spewed in the Shell Room. Her propellers were buried in
>> the
>> >> sand except one is visible. No penetration dives were made. This ship
>> lost
>> >> 513 lives. Captain Tennant survived.
>> >>
>> >> 2. Battleship - Prince of Wales
>> >> This ten month old state of the art Battleship was sent to SE Asia
>> >> to show the commitments of the British during the War. She was the
>> Command
>> >> ship of Force Z. A third of its 35,000 tons of steel consisted of
>> armour
>> >> plating (16" thick) and a complex system of bulkheads had earned her
>> the
>> >> nickname of HMS Unsinkable. She suffered extensive torpedo hits on her
>> >> Port (2) & Starboard (5) sides and two 500 Kg Bomb on her deck. Now
>> lies
>> >> completely upside down at a depth of 67 meters (220 ft). Her hull
>> looked
>> >> like a huge reef. She lost 327 men. Among whom were the Captain John
>> Leach
>> >> and Admiral Phillips. Some of the Artillery were visible, but the main
>> >> Guns were either buried in the sand or may have been detached from
it's
>> >> base and dropped off as she sank. No penetration dives were made.
>> >>
>> >> 3. Dutch Submarine - O16
>> >> Launched in 1936 using the New Techniques of welding instead of
>> >> riveting. She sunk more than six Japanese troopships during the War.
On
>> >> the night of 14/15 December 1941, she struck a Japanese mine and sunk
>> with
>> >> all hand except Quartermaster C. de Wolf. She was under the command of
>> Lt
>> >> Cdr. A.J. Bussemaker. The wreck is still pretty intact. The
>> instructment
>> >> at the conning tower is still there except the compass, wheel & the
>> radio
>> >> direction finder. The navigation lights are still firmly attached to
>> the
>> >> sail. The periscope is down and intact. No penetration dives were
made.
>> >>
>> >> 4. Mine Sweeper "Banka"
>> >> This converted Mine Sweeper from Singapore was struck by the a
>> >> Japanese mine. The wooden superstructure is a heap of rotting wood.
The
>> >> front Gun is still visible. The engine room was penetrated during the
>> >> dives.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Equipment Used
>> >> 1. Dive Rite Superwing & OMS Wings
>> >> 2. Nitek3 Dive Computer
>> >> 3. IANTD Hard tables
>> >> 4. Steel 10L & 12 L tanks charged to 232 Bar
>> >> 5. Steel 120 cu.ft
>> >> 6. Stages are steel 7L, & Al. 80 cu.ft
>> >> 7. Poseidon Regulators (short & long Hoses)
>> >> 8. Apollo DPV
>> >> 9. Haskel Booster pump
>> >> 10. Dive Rite Lift Bags & Reel
>> >> 11. 3mm wet suit & DUI shell suit
>> >>
>> >> Dive Profile;
>> >> Bottom Time; 20 to 30 minutes
>> >> SIT; 3 to 4 hours
>> >> Depth; between 54 to 67 meters (178 to 220 ft)
>> >> Temperature Around 30'C ( 88'F)
>> >> Condition Easy diving
>> >> Bottom Gases used; Air & Trimix
>> >> Deco Gases EAN 50, 70, 80 & 100%
>> >> Camera 4 Nikonos V with 15mm lens
>> >> Video 3 VH-1000 with Sea & Sea Housing
>> >> Lights Dive Rite MLS & AUL
>> >> Photographs will be posted at our web site when ready
>> >>
>> >> Soo Seng Khoo
>> >> IANTS SE ASIA
>> >> 196 Pandan Loop #06-17
>> >> "PanTech" Industrial Complex
>> >> Singapore 128384
>> >> Tel; +65-776.7227
>> >> Fax; +65-7733.239
>> >> http://www.iantdsea.com
>> >> email: khooss@si*.co*.sg*
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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