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> Joel Silverstein wrote: > > > Tom Easop wrote: > > > > >Surfacing with a stricken buddy, ommitting lots of deco should not be > > done. You > > >will only stress those trying to rescue the stricken buddy with another > > rescue. If > > >you were climbing and your partner fell from the top of the cliff, you > > would not > > >jump off the cliff to help him, and if you did you would only make things > > worse > > >for the rescuers. Understand that the deeper mix dives are like standing > > on the > > >cliff. You must safely get to where you need to be to do anything good. > > > > In your scenario I am and most others would be better off not diving. > > Not true. In my scenario, which is what I think is a reflection of what Steve > Belinda describes as happening to the Rouse's, we are all better off not > 'blowing up'. The doctor who taught the class, I do not have his name handy > since I am away from my office, has over 40 years of diving and hyperbaric > medical experience. He specifically used the word 'blow up'. He said they are > not survivable, do not do them. > > > The > > primary thread that runs thru quality technical diving is teamwork and > > partnership. A properly set up technical diving operation will take into > > consideration that there may be a blow up and there may be omitted > > decompression. Frankly if I was diving with you and you had to be taken up > > -- I would take you and deal with the decompression afterwards. It would > > save you and possibly bend me ... so what. You will owe me a nice case of > > scotch every year for the rest of my life. > > Joel, I think we both have had excellent training, and you have chamber > operation experience. But how would getting me to the surface 'save' me? I > believe the good doctor since he has a great deal of experience and was in fact > responding to this very scenario. Yes you could omit deco and then follow > standard omitted deco procedures. And yes you might get bent, maybe not. What > about me, the diver with the primary problem? Possibly you assume I am going to > be able to get back into the water and start omitted deco too. That was not the > scenario. I'm just saying be prepared and correct your problems in the water at > depth, do not go to the surface. Avoid that at almost all costs. That is in the > primary thread of tech diving. And this scenario was specific to exposures of > about 30 min beyond 200 fsw. > > Using the best example we know of for this, why didn't Chris Sr. and Jr. do the > omitted deco procedure? Why did Chris Sr. go right away? I think its becuase > two stricken tech divers on the surface of the sea is too much for even the > best dive boat crew to make right. I know many of the divers and crew connected > with the Seeker and they are some of the best you can have on your side. Why > did Chris Jr pass away a day later after reciveing the best hyperbaric > treatment available? Becuase as the doctor told me in the class, 'blow ups' > from that exposure are not survivable. > > I think you would not get any Scotch every year becuase I would be dead, and > dead men don't buy scotch. And you might be too. *This romantic idea of > rescueing someone when it is not effective and better left to boat crew or > support divers is why I am typing so much.* Rescues have to be made when they > are safe for the rescuer. 'Blowing up' to the surface from a mix dive is not > it. > > > There is a window of opportunity for blowing off stops its about 5 minutes > > or so ... get the guy up -- tell the surface --- and drop back down -- dont > > dick around --- there are standard procedures for omitted decompression all > > ya gotta do is trust them. > > After what the doc said, I don't trust them, not on that exposure. 'Getting the > guy up' is a body recovery. Do it later. > > > This is a very good reason for diving from big well equipped properly > > staffed diving platforms. In the event of an emergency you need PEOPLE who > > can respond, and who WILL respond. > > Bingo. If there is a SIMPLE blow up without complication (and I can't imagine > why this would happen) and the diver is to have any chance of living it is > becuase the people on the diving platform get him back down to depth, get him > to do omitted deco and then get him treatment for his bend. > > > If one fears getting bent on a technical > > dive they should rethink their motives. > > Believe me my motive on tech dives is not to get bent ;-) > > > Bends is Not a Dirty Word > > especially when it may save someone. > > Bends no, 'blow up' yes its a dirty word. Sort it out way below the surface. > > Tom > -- > The Guns and Armour of Scapa Flow Scotland > 1998 Underwater Photographic Survey of Historic Wrecks > http:www.gunsofscapa.demon.co.uk -- The Guns and Armour of Scapa Flow Scotland 1998 Underwater Photographic Survey of Historic Wrecks http:www.gunsofscapa.demon.co.uk -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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