Errol,

Like I said in my previous post, I'm not going to debate the pros and
cons of DIR.  Lots of my rig is DIR (the majority).  I think it's safe
to say that as I replace gear I get DIR stuff.  My post was NOT that DIR
does not work in every environment.  I also don't want to get into a
debate that it is not optimal for every environment.  All I will say is
that it's not the only way in every environment.  I'll even go as far as
to say that if you have all the components to do it right, rigging it
DIR is probably the best solution.

If we do want to start up another debate, which I think no one wants to
do, I'll start supporting my few points.

Art.

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Errol Kalayci [SMTP:errol@ga*.ne*]
	Sent:	Tuesday, October 13, 1998 6:56 PM
	To:	Jim Cobb; Paltz, Art; Tech Diver
	Subject:	Re: Tech meeting

	Hi Art,
	The vast majority of my diving is done in the Ocean.  I dive
almost every
	day.  In the last 6 weeks I have dove on the Wall in Bimini,
shallow & deep
	reefs & wrecks in Ft. Lauderdale, Oslo Fjord in Norway, and the
Sala
	Silvermine in Sala, Sweden (flooded mine system).  Additionally,
this week I
	have dove open circuit single tank, with doubles and stages, and
on the
	Halcyon & Halcyon II rebreathers.  My gear rigging has been the
same on
	every dive in every condition.  The only changes have been
thermal
	protection needs in the 34 degree water of Sweden vs. the 88
degree water of
	the Bahamas.  I also have 2 more hoses on my Halcyon rebreather.
In short,
	I have used the WKPP style of gear configuration in every
environment that I
	can imagine (vis in Sweden ranged from zero to 20 feet).  It
works
	everywhere, if it did not I would not use it.
	Errol Kalayci
	-----Original Message-----
	From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
	To: Paltz, Art <Art.Paltz@R2*.CO*>; Tech Diver
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>
	Date: Saturday, October 10, 1998 3:27 PM
	Subject: RE: Tech meeting


	>Art-
	>
	>Your feelings about the applicability of DIR to ocean diving
are shared
	>by many. The whole point of the discussion is to determine
among us what
	>aspects of DIR rigging is applicable. Personally I like DIR
as-is and
	>think it is ideal for ocean diving, but I cannot (nor can
anybody) TELL a
	>diver to do it one way or another. You need to appeal to a
divers
	>intellect with practical examples and discussion.
	>
	>A big problem is demonstrated by you, the knee-jerk reaction
that anyone
	>pro DIR is automatically guilty of demagoguery. But the good
news is that
	>not all divers are computer nerds with no lives like you and
me, so there
	>is hope that some divers will watch, listen and consider rather
than
	>getting up and walking out of the room when a DIR concept is
brought up.
	>I have a feeling that if given a chance, DIR concepts will be
embraced
	>even by the old school if presented reasonably and in an ocean
diving
	>context. Hell, if someone can convince me of a DIW technique
that is the
	>best way to go, I've got an open mind. But I doubt it... ;)
	>
	> Jim
	>
	>On 10/9/98 10:23 PM Paltz, Art wrote:
	>
	>>Jim,
	>>
	>>I don't have a problem with the DIR system; I've implemented
many
	>>portions.  I've re-done my rigging to the DIR harness, I dive
with stage
	>>bottles on the left, I mark my bottles at the top with O2
percentage AND
	>>MOD in really big numbers, etc.  I don't have a problem with
it.  It
	>>just sounded to me like you were becoming a bugle boy, that's
all.  I'm
	>>not being close minded or saying, "if it's DIR it's wrong!"
Just
	>>sounded like you may have been saying, "if it's DIR it must be
right".
	>>For all to know, I'm not saying DIR is wrong!!  I do disagree
with the
	>>statement that DIR works optimally everywhere.  I don't want
to get into
	>>a discussion about where DIR is optimal and where it isn't and
why.  If
	>>people want to read about this they can look in the archives,
it's been
	>>beat to death!
	>>
	>>My comments on the ladder were only that I've never seen
people needing
	>>to take off all their gear in the water to get up the ladder.
I don't
	>>know if the reason for taking off their gear was because of
long deco
	>>hangs?  Personally I relax on the line and enjoy it.  I've
done 2 hours
	>>on the anchor line, which I'd think is comparable to a Doria
hang.
	>>Never done the Doria so I don't know the profiles they were
diving.  I
	>>admitted that the ladder isn't optimal, said this before, I've
been on
	>>better.  I just think your post would have lead people to
believe you
	>>MUST take off your equipment to get up the ladder and I was
just
	>>illustrating that that wasn't the case.
	>>
	>>Safe diving,
	>>Art.
	>
	>
	>
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