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Art, whether or not you are physically capable of climbing a ladder in full gear with stages is not the issue. You should get help with doffing your gear and minimize your exertion after a dive, as to do something like what you describe significantly increases your risk of a DCS hit, especially after any sort of long exposure. -Sean On Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:14:22 -0400, Paltz, Art wrote: >Sorry Jim, I have to comment here. You're starting to sound like George >and crew. If all you're going to do is spout off WKPP propaganda then >why don't you save your people some time and just get them email >addresses so they can join in here! Now that that's off my chest I'll >apologize, you know I like you and we've had a few good private email >conversations in the past. I'm just sick and tired of the same old >stuff on this list. Please stick to the facts! > >My comment is on the Seeker statement. When was the last time you dived >the Seeker? I can guarantee you I've dived on the Seeker more than you >have. In all that time I have NEVER seen a diver take off their gear in >the water to get up the ladder. Granted they run a lot of trips and I'm >only on a small percentage. I am on the boat every couple of weeks >though. Once I saw a slightly panicked, obviously stressed diver take >off their fins to climb the ladder, still with gear on. Now I won't >debate the fact that the ladder could be better but still, are you that >out of shape that you can't climb a vertical ladder with full gear (yes >doubles)? I'm certainly NOT in the best of shape and I regularly climb >it with stages when I forget to drop an equipment line (that's plural, 2 >stages). You can add an extra 5-10 pounds for the tool bag too! They >have a granny line starting at about 10-20 ft on the anchor (weighted). >He'll, they'll even give you a tow to the bow if a current is ripping or >you're just lazy. > >Not bashing your little tech group down there (I think it's great) but >please get the facts straight before you post..... > >Art. >PS I'm in no way affiliated with any dive boat! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Cobb [SMTP:cobber@ci*.co*] > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 10:32 PM > To: Tech Diver > Subject: Tech meeting > > The following is the report sent out to the vbtech mailing list >outlining > what was talked about on our first monthly meeting. I have not >heard of > any other divers having discussions like this outside of clubs, >so I > thought it might be interesting for you all to see whats up. >Some of the > discussion topics might be obvious and basic to some, but it is >still > worth discussing and coming to some sort of consensus. > > ------------------------------------------------- > On October 7th VBTech had its first meeting at Lynnhaven Dive >Center in > Virginia Beach, Va. > In this meeting the main topic of discussion was the marking of >stage > tanks. Discussion opened up with some information about some >recent tech > diving deaths in Florida and the Andrea Doria. A comparison was >made to > various techniques of marking tanks ranging from nothing to >marked 2nd > stages to DIR style MOD markings on the sides of the tanks. > > It was agreed that the DIR style was the best way to go, using >the > techniques described on the WKPP website. While some mentioned >that they > knew what they had in their stages, it was pointed out that it >is > advantageous for other divers (other teams and safety divers) to >be be > able to easily see what mix is being used. It was agreed that >the > addition of "FT" to the MOD to clarify what measurement system >was being > used and to remove any question that you are indicating MOD and >not mix. > > A discussion then ensued of how different dive boats are >configured. What > was particularly noted is the difference in rigging that North >East > diveboats compared to Mid East. The example used was the Seeker, >which > runs Doria trips, is configured so that you must doff your gear >in the > water to make it up it's vertical ladder. Also it's lack of a >deep granny > line and lead line which makes it a "leap of faith" to get back >to the > hang lines (oh no hang bar either). It was not understood why NE >boats > use such primitive techniques when it would be so simple to >improve. > > Also was discussed was a dive in a deep lake to do an actual >test of a > set of OMS Stuperwings in deep conditions to determine it's true > > effectiveness and life capabilities in tech conditions. > > A dive is being organized to the Chanango, a very infrequently >dove wreck > near the eureka. The reason is that it is a "turtled" wreck, but >it > should be pretty broken up by now as it was in the process the >last time > it was dove about 4 years ago. The dive will cost $125 and >leaves Oct > 16th on Friday night. There will be a night dive and then 2 or 3 >day > dives. Contact JT if you want to go. > > The agenda for the next meeting will be: > > - A demo of Decom, Abyss and Voyager > - Discussion of why what mix is chosen for what depth > - A demo of different whip setups > - A demo of different 02 analyzers. > > Bring your whips and 02 analyzers and lets compare rigs and >techniques. > These meetings will be held on the first Wednesday of each month >at the > Lynnhaven Dive Center in Virginia Beach, Va. > > Jim > > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > Learn About Trimix At >http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/trimix.html > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to >`techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to >`techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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