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Hey George, if you want to see helpful individuals go to www.gue.com, I think that you are completely off base with your comments. You obviously have not met anyone associated with GUE. Erik >From owner-techdiver@aquanaut.com Tue Oct 6 22:56:47 1998 >Received: (mail@lo*) > by bighorn.terra.net (8.8.6/jr3.9) for > id BAA08681; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 01:18:41 -0400 >Precedence: bulk >Errors-To: owner-techdiver@aquanaut.com >Received: from bighorn.terra.net (root@lo*) > by bighorn.terra.net (8.8.6/jr3.9) with EXEC for techdiver > id BAA08277; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 01:06:22 -0400 >Received: from solar.acast.nova.edu (solar.acast.nova.edu [137.52.224.11]) > by bighorn.terra.net (8.8.6/jr3.9) with ESMTP for <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > id BAA08269; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 01:06:21 -0400 >Received: from ppp (ppp198-6.acast.nova.edu [137.52.198.6]) > by solar.acast.nova.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA20520; > Wed, 7 Oct 1998 01:06:03 -0400 (EDT) >From: "George P. Wentland" <wentland@ns*.ac*.no*.ed*> >To: "Tom Mount" <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>, "Dan Volker" <dlv@ga*.ne*>, > <dive4wrk@pi*.co*>, "Jess Armantrout" <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*> >Cc: "Techdiver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>, <rebreather@nw*.co*> >Subject: RE: Promoting Rebreather Diving >Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 01:04:14 -0400 >Message-ID: <000001bdf1af$ee04ba60$06c63489@pp*.ac*.no*.ed*> >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >In-Reply-To: <017201bdf156$431b8380$ca924d0c@to*> >Importance: Normal > > Thank You Tom for finally getting up to bat. I've been on this list for >several months and while I have learned a few things from the people on this >list which I do appreciate this is one IANTD instructor who would not think >of changing to GUE. Not because of improper procedures but because of the >big headed attitudes that leave the wrong kind of message. I am tired of >seeing IANTD take a beating because some guy/guys are trying to make a name >for themselves. > Now I might be wrong but it seems to me that GUE could attract a lot more >support by being helpful than by being accusative. I like the idea of an >organization backing me, that's there to help, not looking for places or >people to point a finger at. I believe that Dan Volker once said in a post >that he does not represent GUE. If that is the case GUE would be better off >if he didn't keep trying so hard to do so. I for one am becoming nauseated >over this whole situation because people are getting driven away from this >list and our sport because of stupid politics. > I'm not in diving to become famous or to profess that my way is the only >way. I dive because I love diving and I became an instructor because I >wanted to share my experience with others. You have seen me ask questions of >this list because I keep an open mind and am always to hear new ideas or a >better way of doing something. > This thing with DIR as GUE calls it is very closed minded and if it catches >on everyone would blindly play follow the leader which would severely retard >the growth of Tech diving. There is more than one way to accomplish a job >and if the job gets done safely and well who should say which way is "Doing >It Right" GUE??? Dan remember that stupid body count? Lets not go there >again. > Once again Thank You Tom Mount > >Good Diving by George!!!! >IANTD Instructor 2676 > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tom Mount [mailto:TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*] >> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 2:22 PM >> To: Dan Volker; dive4wrk@pi*.co*; Jess Armantrout >> Cc: Techdiver; rebreather@nw*.co* >> Subject: Re: Promoting Rebreather Diving >> >> >> Dan >> In many situations you must lead part of a dive. any instructor worth his >> salt may do so and still observe the students. >> >> Example in cave courses most of us lead the first dive to demonstrate >> technique to students. this means we spend a lot of time looking under our >> legs. During a course When the students mess up on pacing instructors will >> take over the lead if needed to reestablish a good pace for the team. >> >> In rebreather diving thesame is true. Ask George as he complained how I >> mother henned him on the Halcyon. Yet I led parts of the dive. >> >> The instructor has to determine moment by moment the place he >> needs to be to >> provide the best learning experience, accomplish the training >> objectives and >> to ensure the safety of the student. During the latter phases of a course >> when I'm getting theswim pace up good, I usually lead and judge >> the pace at >> a point that the students are working to stay up and at this time pull >> emergency procedure drills on them . >> >> Having taught diving in about every environment and application >> foreseeable >> for more than 40 ACCIDENT free years, I think I may have learned a thing a >> or two about how to do it. teaching like other skills in life >> requires doing >> it to learn what works best. You are doing a good job of arm chair >> quarterback but no real life experience >> >> If an instructor just follows all the time it will limit the >> accomplishments >> of the course . If he leads all the time the same is true. >> >> I guess your scenario may work on a instructor who was totally >> unaware then >> again that type of instructor would have an accident even if he >> followed his >> students. >> >> >> Respectfully yours, >> Tom Mount >> CEO IANTD World HQ >> http://www.iantd.com >> > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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