> Yeah. And the $64K question IS......what are "Terry's" credentials and how
> much money did he make last month pushing "vitamins" to gullible guys?
>
> pH


Terry is one of the top people in the World for Sports Nutrition---the
amount he gets paid by pro athletes as well as companies which want him to
formulate new products for them, is far beyond anything you can imagine.
Just one athlete like Vince Taylor ( who Terry created a custom diet and
training plan for---which propelled Vince to a Masters Olympia 1st place
this year) will pay Terry over $12,000 for the diet and a few weeks of
custom training. Terry creates these programs for many pro athletes in pro
sports as diverse as Bodybuilding, Golf, powerlifting, bowling, cycling,
triathlon, wrestling, martial arts, etc.

Terry himelf won over 700 straight kumite ( knockout bare fist and feet) and
14 world championships--using his own training principles and diet---his
advantage was so far beyond the competition, all but two of his over 700
fights ended in him knocking out the opponent in the first round, two went
to the second round. He has won several major powerlifting and arm wrestling
championships, and none of the pro bodybuilders I have seen him train with
can come any where close to his strength in ANY exercise. Incidentally, he
also trained extensively with SEAL teams, and his diving skills are far
beyond your own.

The big companies that sell nutrition products like protein powders and
other supplements pay Terry to formulate new products for them. He had
formulated a calcium pyruvate and "Andro" product  close to two years ago
 you are hearing about "Andro" right now in pro baseball) for the new
Cybergenics company, each far superior to the lines produced by the other
companies. The Vortex protein powder he formulated for them is by far the
best product for high intensity athletes I have ever seen. My girlfriend
Sandra was riding 400 miles per week while training for the National cycling
championships this year ( she came in 7th in this her first
nationals))---the Twin lab products, the Champion nutrition products,
Designer and several others were used by her, but each was allowing her to
stay catabolic. On switching to Vortex, she began building and recovering
from this training volume---so powerful was the anti-catabolic potential of
Vortex. The training volume was critical to reach a sufficient VO2 max to
compete well.

Perhaps Terry will give the names of a few other of the big companies he
formulates products for---but for some I know he has non-disclosure
agreements with.

Bottmom line, PH, Terry could do NONE of this without huge results. He gets
them every time.  Peter Hazeltine will get piss poor results using his
knowlege to "help" anyone become fitter or better for their sport.
Pete---drop this before you look even stupider---or are you going for
another PH world record?
Dan Volker


> -----Original Message-----
> From: pH [mailto:heseltine@ea*.ne*]
> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 1998 4:29 AM
> To: Dan Volker
> Cc: Techdiver; Rebreather; Kirvine; Bill Mee; Terry Giles
> Subject: Re: FW: antioxidants
>
>
> Yeah. And the $64K question IS......what are "Terry's" credentials and how
> much money did he make last month pushing "vitamins" to gullible guys?
>
> pH
>
>
> At 08:15 AM 9/25/98 -0400, Dan Volker wrote:
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Terry [mailto:terry@wo*.co*]
> >Sent: Thursday, September 24, 1998 5:49 PM
> >To: 'Dan Volker'
> >Subject: RE: antioxidants
> >
> >
> >In reference to this - vitamin c does not have a half life and the
> >absorption ratio or absorption aspects of vitamin c depend largely on the
> >source of supplemental vitamin c as well as the individual using
> the vitamin
> >c - all I can say is PH is quoting research 30 years old - he should pull
> >his head out of his butt and read the latest research on anti-oxidants,
> >vitamins, minerals and their absorption based on their effication and
> >source. He sounds like a geek that read far too many out dated
> nutrition and
> >chemistry books.
> >
> >----------
> >From:  Dan Volker [SMTP:dlv@ga*.ne*]
> >Sent:  Thursday, September 24, 1998 9:24 AM
> >To:  terry@wo*.co*
> >Subject:  FW: antioxidants
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: rebreather-request@nw*.co*
> >[mailto:rebreather-request@nw*.co*] On Behalf Of pH
> >Sent: Monday, September 21, 1998 3:16 AM
> >To: rebreather@nw*.co*
> >Subject: Re: antioxidants
> >
> >
> >At 06:40 PM 9/20/98 -0400, Katherine V. Irvine wrote:
> >>  For C, we all know it does not last too long in the body.....
> >
> >Not desiring to read the rest of the extraordinary mumbo-jumbo that
> >dribbled out of the mouth of Katherine aka George Irvine III, I had to
> >laugh at the above, for it was on Vitamin C absorption and
> "retention" that
> >I cut my research teeth almost 30 years ago.
> >
> >As many know, you can take large doses of Vit C and make your urine
> >saturated with the stuff in short order. Plasma levels of Vit C follow a
> >similar short half-life. Many, many years ago it was erroneously assumed
> >that this meant you could "saturate" yourself with Vit C with a
> brief, high
> >dose exposure.
> >
> >Leaving aside its "magical" powers - a dubious concept at best, now that
> >Linus Pauling has gone to the great lemon in the sky - Vit C *tissue*
> >levels are what it's all about.  Since most people object to
> bits being cut
> >out of them at regular intervals, we measured Vit C levels in white blood
> >cells (WBC), an established surrogate for (slow?) tissue. We
> found that it
> >took about 6-8 weeks of 1-2 grams by mouth per day to establish maximum
> >steady state levels of Vit C in WBC. As noted, this is not "new"
> research,
> >but almost 30 years old. So, the question for G4 is - who is telling you
> >these fairy tales?
> >
> >pH
> >
>
>

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