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In a message dated 9/20/98 2:22:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
scubait@ix*.ne*.co* writes:

> And, if you remeber correctly, my example was a shore dive with a slope that
> oculd
>  reach 500 feet. Should open water students be diving there?  That's the 
> question I
>  addressed.
>  
>  Where do we draw the line?
>  
>  Garrett Weinberg


 Garrett,

   How far is this slope? The continental shelf drops off some 40 miles or so
out to sea, but I think you have a more dramatic slope in mind.

  I cannot believe you would actually use the phrase "open water students", in
conjuction with the phrase " 500 feet".  This is beyond ridiculous. All the
agencies limit their open water students to 60 fsw or so of depth, and all
require hard bottom sites for this training. Most recommend additional
training before diving more advanced sites. Maybe you need to spend some time
on rec.scuba to refresh yourself with whats what. 

  The original example concerned diving the top of the Hydro Atlantic with a
nitrox ill suited to the bottom< no nitrox is, Btw>, without regard to
contingencies. 

 While you may subscribe to the personal freedom interpretation of diving
limits that says only you are responsible for you, those of us who survive
your antics will surely call stupidity just that. 

 I stand by my opinion stated below. 

 regards,

 Al Marvelli 


>  
>  KybrSose@ao*.co* wrote:
>  
>  > In a message dated 9/20/98 11:59:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>  > scubait@ix*.ne*.co* writes:
>  >
>  > > Do you remember those types of divers? They don't care at all about
>  > >  technical divers. They don't care about mix, they don't care about
deco,
> 
>  > >  they just want to put on a single tank and go diving and have fun. No 
> dive
>  > >  plan, just pure enjoyment.
>  >
>  >    And you were discussing taking these divers to deep dive sites, and 
> hoping
>  > they could deal with it.  Taking divers equiped as such, with these 
> mindsets,
>  > to dives sites that dont have a hard bottom at 100 fsw is criminally 
> reckless.
>  >
>  >   My opinion.
>  >
>  >    AL Marvelli
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