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Dan, Mix for an 80-90 foot wall dive is way overkill. What mix is 190 foot mix anyway? What mix are you talking about anyway. What END and what MOD? It doesn't really matter though cause an 80-90 foot wall dive can be accomlished on air! They been doin' that for years... Dan you and the WKPP should really go ahead and get PADI etc to just teach mix from day one. Cause the depth limit for air just keeps on dropping doesn't it? Soon the air we breath will no longer be OK, we're simply gonna have to add more helium! Here a mix there a mix everywhere a mix, mix.... Hell, let's just rid of nitrogen all together it just clutters up the periodic table anyhow! Everyone Hail and Praise Heliox! All recreational divers, buy your doubles, get your DIR equipment hail to the WKPP and Dan. The "Gods" of diving everywhere! No one dare enter the domain of the WKPP. Join the WKPP or don't dive at all. And god forbit you dive in a cave! Then you really in for it! Later, Mat. ---Dan Volker <dlv@ga*.ne*> wrote: > > > > > > > > Come on now Dan, > > > > Tri mix for a recreational dive to 80-90 ft?? So... just in case the > > diver can't control his/her depth. They will now need to carry > > doubles in case they go too deep (and you also gotta have enough gas > > for the rescue). > > > 190 FOOT MIX GETS TREATED LIKE AIR FOR DECO/no deco PURPOSES > recreationally speaking :-) > If we were at 80 feet and decided to drop to 150 to get a good look at a big > pelagic, on returning to 80 we would be diving essentially as if we were on > air, but without the narcotic effects. No deco gas would be needed. > > Nitrox would prevent us from doing the drop for any reason. It is shallow > water mix, NOT deep drift mix. Apparently you know little about drift > diving. > Dan > > > > > Two deco mixes (50/50 and O2) cause 80/20 is "stroke > > mix" (rescuing someone at 190 is gonna get you into deco). How about > > a canister light. If they gotta go down to rescue someone you're > > gonna need to be able to see. Oh, Oh! don't forget the rule of > > thirds. Make sure you plan for that extra gas for.... Actually if > > you have to rescue someone you better plan for a new rule maybe the > > rule of fifths. That way you have enough gas to get down to rescue > > someone at 2-3 times the depth of your dive plan... and make it back. > > > > Yep, you sure got it all figured our Dan! Hey Dan, come to think of > > it what's the safe depth limit for your free diving? Can you imagine > > what would happen if you got hung up on something at depth? You would > > drown. I can't believe you even attempted this. This is the height > > of strokery! You could die? What agency told you you could free dive > > to 50 feet? You only have enough gas for one breath for god's sake!! > > > > > > Yep, Maybe recreational divers should not be able to dive in anything > > except swimming pool water that's no more than say 10 feet deep. Ya! > > that's it. Come on Dan. Safety yes, but now your gettin' just a bit > > carried away. Divers need to be at least partially responsible for > > themselves. This isn't even a training situation we're talking out > > here. Let's face it at some point you're going to be adding more risk > > by trying to remove risk elsewhere. I though you understood DIR. One > > of the concepts is to use the minimum required equipment. > > > > In this case trimix doesn't decrease the risk at all. > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > Dan Volker wrote: > > > > Jim, > > > > Blue water dives do not require 100 foot depths. 30 or 40 feet is > > plenty. > > For this, air would be my choice. Most of the time I do this stuff, I > > freedive it---no tank at all, drop to 20 to 50 feet, and just hang in > > the > > collumn. > > Nitrox would be impractical here for many reasons. Particularly for the > > recreational diver whose depth monitoring skills are "challenged" at > > best, > > even on a wall dive, a nitrox mix which limits them to 80 or 100 feet is > > dangerous at best. If they "think" they can do 90, they may end up at > > 140 > > after only a few moments of watching a big pelagic. If the concept or > > plan > > of the dive was to do 80 to 100, then 190 foot trimix would be a > > smarter > > plan. > > Regards, > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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