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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 06:49:43 -0400
From: "Katherine V. Irvine" <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Organization: DIR
To: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.bi*.or*>
CC: freeattic@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*, rebreather@nw*.co*,
     techdiver , cavers@ca*.co*
Subject: Toss me a mackerel, please Dr Strone - I done good "FREE RICHIE" was Re: George's Shill - A Debunking - "Intellect Sqeeze"
Richie, two weeks before a project and beginning training? You keep
telling me how smart Stone is, go ahead, tell me more. Bill Mee has more
extremely serious cave dives and rebreather cave dives than anyone on
the usdct. You call him he is an idiot? He has his degrees from Ivy
League schools, you work in a museum and talk about getting your degree
while obeying every command of Bill Stone like the captive trained seal
that you are. You will get Social Security before you get degree.

 This is one reason I do not ever take handouts from anyone - they can
not ever make me cover for them by withholding the mackerel. The
rebreather and the team are disasters, and we can all see it thanks to
your resposne to my "Hey, Stupid" guesswork.

I will not tell you what is being said privately by those in the know on
this - I will wait to see Stone face down, beak in the dirt as
predicted, and then they will all come running out after the fact with
their opinions. I am not afraid to predict the obvious publicly, since I
have the track record of achievement that this pretender will never
understand until he has to go up against it for real.

All you did with your blabbering excuse list is permanently convince the
entire WKPP that my contempt for Stone is totally justified. Jablonski
and Scarabin took one look at your mile long excuse list and laughed. JJ
said that the sheer length of your post indicated a bullseye. You are
like that Richard Prior blind character - we can all see what you don't
know about OUR specialty, but you can not. Your team of mutants is the
biggest collection of losers anywhere - otherwise they would be diving
with the WKPP for the last ten years like everyone else who is genuinely
into this activity. We are open to everyone, and from Parker's and
Gavin's days everyone has beeen invited to come help - they never have (
Green showed up once ), and they can not use me as an excuse, since I
have nothing to do with who dives - the team does.

The fact is that your entire crew has not ever done anything anyhwere,
they have no dive gear, no rebreathers, no scooters, no drysuits, and no
clue, and they are not going to start now. 

Richie, don't get confused here - we all like you, we don't like what is
going on . The rest of what I said in that post has nothing to do with
anything you can comment on ( cave diving) , only the first paragrapgh
applied to you.

Read Menduno's article and see how arogant your boy Stone really is. He
criticizes me and my safety procedures, despite my combined 8,000 man
hours of a perfect track reocrd, and I am going to be all over him like
a cheap suit on his act permanently - he will never get a moments relief
from any of us no matter how far away he runs. Like most of you , he has
not done it, we have. Do it and tell me about it. Stone admits that his
team is desperate to prove something. They will die trying, because they
are nine years behind me and do not have what it takes, and do not have
the fortitude to do what it takes - a cis lunar rebreather will not
overcome that , Richie.

Richard Pyle wrote:
> 
> > Bill Mee already debunked the horrific set of disjointed nonsense that
> > Richie put out
> 
> And Richie already made Bill look like a dope about it.
> 
> >  2) Dry suit "neck squeeze" - this is the worst bullshit since the Ian
> 
> You're not reading the thread, as is often the case.  The neck squeeze
> thing may or may not have played a role in the recent incident, but
> obviously the problem was hypoxia.  Don't waste your time or our time on
> straw men.
> 
> > Rolin death. Are we sure it was not diabetes again? When lying,
> > shilling, and making up crap, try to be consistent. The guy would have
> > dropped from the drysuit squeeze in the parking lot, not hours later in
> > the water. If these big time divers even owned their own drysuit, which
> > they do not, this could not even be used as an exucuse - you guys are
> > pathetic. I am calling bullshit on this one.
> 
> What, exactly, are you calling bullshit to? The guy passed out from hypoxia,
> initially because there was not enough O2 in the breathing loop, perhaps
> compounded by not enough O2 in the diluent, *possibly* compounded by neck
> squeeze.  If you had been following the thread like you should have been, you
> would have seen that I made it clear that the neck squeeze thing was purely
> of academic interest. Hypoxia was the obvious culprit. You are the only
> one trying to make it sound like anyone is claiming that neck squeeze
> was the "cause" of the problem.  It wasn't.
> 
> > 3)  It was "rebreather squeeze" - Rebreather Squeeze is where you try to
> > squeeze years of diving experience into a three day clusterfreak wtih 23
> > strokes using seven rebreathers two weeks before the big time "project"
> > is supposed to start. Only an "Idiot" like Bill Stone would even try
> > this.
> 
> 23?  Is that your best guess?  Can you name them all?  How do you know you
> can call them "strokes" if you don't even know who (or how many) they are?
> 
> Incidentally, I didn't read the rest of your message because I don't have
> time to play for real right now.  I'm assuming it was the usual rhetoric, and
> probably as rediculous as what you wrote above.
> 
> Aloha,
> Rich
> 
> P.S. By the way - have you finished the video on "Covering-It-Up Right"
> yet?


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