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Subject: Re: Bondage wings
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 22:36:21 -0400
From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
To: <DEnig@ao*.co*>
cc: "Tech Diver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
On 9/4/98 6:26 PM DEnig@ao*.co* wrote:

>Well, it's too bad you couldn't come up with A thru G on your own Jim. First,

Why reinvent the wheel?

>I would like to thank John Brett, RMC, Sean Cary, Sean Stevenson and Carlos
>Accioly for their input. They responded in clear, well thought out posts with

Well, maybe they are not as sick as I am of mindless promotions of bogus 
products.

>no mud slinging or name calling. And guess what? It's given me some things to
>take back into the water and test. I want to see for myself. I haven't had 

Gosh, what a goddamn revelation, you are actually going try out regular 
wings. Jesus Christ, at least I had the integrity to try out both systems 
before rendering an opinion.

>any
>of the problems I've read about here but at last, I see some clear 
>indications
>of what to look for. Still not much in the way of difference with my wings 
>and
>others. After all, I only have a single bladder OMS so only one inflator, one
>hose etc and I seem to have what may be more lift than needed. Add to that I
>do have the bungees and I will be putting them thru more evaluation but at
>least now I have additional info that I didn't have before. Believe me, I
>enjoy life. I don't want to be a statistic. If I find anything in my gear 
>that
>clearly has the potential of causing me harm with the type of diving I do,
>that gear is gone and gone fast. 

Yes, trying out regular wings is good. If you have half a brain, you will 
come to the same conclusion as dozens of other divers have.

>Look Jim. FYI, I am not a shill for OMS. Wouldn't know any of their employees
>if I passed them on the street. Neither am I deaf, dumb or blind. Couldn't do
>my job if I were. Nor could I do my job if I were openly antagonistic or
>closed minded. And I live in a very much "real world" as opposed to fantasy.
>200 posts by 50 people (4 posts each). How many of those 50 ever tried the
>OMS? Would be nice to know but no longer relevant info for me. Thanks to 
>those
>named above, I am equipped with more info that was presented with a better
>attitude. The message has more of a chance of getting thru. And, I'm going to
>try and duplicate (in a safe and controlled fashion) each of the points that
>have been validly raised. 

I really don't need your winey, wimpy platitudes. 

>Perhaps some of the problems are training related? or QC issues? or even
>design flaws. Training issues are not valid ones to dump a piece of gear.
>After all, if one doesn't train with their gear, perhaps one should 
>consider a
>different sport. I practice constantly with my life support equipment both 
>for
>work and for diving. 
>Poor QC is.  
>Design flaws are unless the flaw is easily and safely corrected at much less
>expense than replacing and the correction cures the danger of the flaw.
>What do I know that others don't? Lots in some fields, lots less in lots of
>other fields. I am clearly tho, NOT an expert.Never professed to be. I'm
>simply someone who wants to learn more but needs info to make decisions. Real
>info as opposed to wild comments or statements made with out substance to 
>back
>them up. 

No, the problem is that there are hucksters in every aspect of life 
wherein a buck can be made. I realize how hard it is to admit you are a 
sucker and got screwed. What really takes backbone is to admit that 
perhaps, just maybe, you made a purchase error and, well, maybe all those 
guys just might be right.

I did, and will keep doing so if I can prevent one or two people from 
making the same mistakes. I am a hard-headed contrarian just like most 
divers and have to learn the hard way. But I did eventually *learn* and I 
will hammer fellow hard-heads like you until you do too.

I will rail against stuperwings, pony bottles, air 2's, stuffed hoses, 
unneeded D rings, and any other such flim-flamery which cares to raise 
it's ugly head.

I'm no dive-god, but I sure as hell can tell black from white.

>Call me what you will. In the grand scheme of life, it matters not much.

Well, we agree on something.

 Jim


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