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> By now no one has to guess that we are bound to disagree about almost > everything Mike, but that can be healthy at times. On this subject though Al I'm beginning to wonder if you are disagreeing out of habit... > I would think they could handle what they have experienced prior, But in > a new environment it is more reasonable to expect they are not as aware of the > dangers as an instructor skilled in that environment should be. Al please do not be vague here. In the realm of technical training, please explain one such dive where the student has no way to prepare and must find themselves so completely beyond their limits as to put their life in the total control of another? > But in a situation where the student pays with their life, is more blame > really necessary?? Its not about MORE blame Al. Its about not unfairly shifting all the blame away from the deceased. Just because you die, it doesn't mean you were blameless. If that were the case none of us would have any control over trying to prevent our death anytime. > Especially when it relieves blame upon the instructor? Al, I have never said the instructors were totally blameless I have simply been arguing against the apparent inclination to try to paint the students as totally blameless. If you can't take this advice from me read Jim Greenlee's post, or Jim Cobb's. Both may not take as pointed a position as I do, but both talk about students taking it upon themselves to educate themselves, to take the training slowly, not to rush so far ahead of themselves. This is a real easy concept to teach new divers. It takes 1 minute in OW class. It says never go on a "trust me" dive. Again Al, name a training dive that I can't prepare for on my own, so that it is no longer a "trust me" dive, but simply a supervised demonstration of skills I have already spent time learning. For cave you can practice almost all skills in open water and ease into overheads with caverns. For deep wrecks you can practice on shallow wrecks. For staging you can practice in a quarry. For mix you can do the same, or on a shallow wreck on which you normally use air/nitrox. There are few if ANY situations where a student need put themselves in a "trust me" situation. But that is what you seem to be advocating. I'll be waiting. Mike -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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