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From: <KybrSose@ao*.co*>
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:58:02 EDT
To: zimmmt@au*.al*.co*
Cc: Rubrifolia@ao*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: A Call to Arms
In a message dated 9/1/98 3:32:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
zimmmt@au*.al*.co* writes:

> 
>  I guess I look at it differently Al.

  By now  no one has to guess that we are bound to disagree about almost
everything Mike, but that can be healthy at times.

  
>  We are talking about instruction for tech divers, not entry level.
>  These are divers that should have diving experience and be able to 
>  look after themselves.

   I would think they could handle what they have experienced prior,   But in
a new environment it is more reasonable to expect they are not as aware of the
dangers as an instructor skilled in that environment should be. 

>  
>  You get a limited amount of instructional time for your dollar. 
>  How can you use it best and maximize your gain as a consumer?
>  IMO you use the instructional time as a time to be critiqued
>  on skills you have already begun to work on. 

   Only perfect practice will ensure perfect performance. I know guys who lay
line horribly. I would never want to be inside something with them and their
current level of technique; if they were to take a cave or penetraton course I
would hope they would relearn line skills.  

 >  the point is there is no excuse for combining gobs of new gear with
>  gobs of new conditions.  Now we can certainly say that any instructor
>  who suggests this to a student has very bad judgement.  But that
>  student has to buy in and make their own bad judgement as well.
>  Just because an instructor makes a bad decision, that does not absolve
>  the student for making one as well.

But in a situation where the student pays with their life, is more blame
really necessary?? 

Especially when it relieves blame upon the instructor?   
 
 
>  > Why should we even have technical instruction at all if its just an 
> evaluation
>  > of skills obtained elsewhere? 
>  
>  Refinement and evaluation.  An evaluation to be sure you do have the skills
>  in the opinion of someone else (not just yourself) BEFORE you ever
>  enter the target environment.  I'd want to know I was rigging/carrying my
>  stages correctly BEFORE I ever took one on a deep wreck dive or cave dive.
>  
>  By your argument we should not have exams for doctors or pilots.

  My understanding is that they educate doctors and pilots to a point, then
they allow them to practice under supervision, then they are evaluated prior
to being released to their own devices.  They are also required to maintain
continuing education and certifications to remain in good standing with the
relevant agencies.

They dont just test him once and set them loose, and they damn sure dont
expect them to learn their trades on their own.

al marvelli
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