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I did not mean to imply that some folks don't need a certain amount of hand-holding, and hiring an instructor is the way to get that. But I don't think that the newbie should rely entirely on the instructors word, they should backup their training with research and practice on their own. As Ronald Reagan once said "Trust but Verify", and in this sport that is not a bad idea. Jim Sender: David B. Widen Date: 9/1/98 6:20 AM >Jim > >You need to keep in mind that not all people are as intuitive as you are. >Many of them need the support of someone to point out the right and wrong >way to do things. The trial and error in the pool. That is one of the reason >for training. > >The training can also help us avoid people getting hurt, the benefit of >group discussions, and the right way (from the sport and industry standards) >to do or use the equipment. > >David > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jim Cobb [mailto:cobber@ci*.co*] >Sent: Monday, August 31, 1998 4:13 PM >To: KybrSose@ao*.co*; Rubrifolia@ao*.co* >Cc: Tech Diver >Subject: Re: A Call to Arms > > >Al, I think the point is that you can learn stuff by doing rather than >taking the word of a person who may or may not know whatinthehell they >are talking about. > >I never took a drysuit course. I read the manual and did some research on >the side and jumped in. It took about 10 or so dives to perfect the >drysuit technique but now I adjust it automatically and don't even know >it's there. But I did not do a feet-first or any of the other pratfalls >because, via research, I avoided them. The worse thing that happened is I >was so intent on keeping the suit deflated, I forgot about the wings. I >had to deflate them to get back down to deco depth. > >I will bet if Lizzie had RTFM (read the fucking manual) he would not have >lost the drysuit. If I did take further training and the instructor said >to the stuff the long hose I would tell *him* to get stuffed because I >have determined on my own that it's the way to go... > >Ccards are great and all that but keep in mind that there is a whole >generation of divers before us who have already learned the hardway (and >don't to this day have ccards) and put these experiences down for those >of us who are motivated to find and learn. > > Jim > >Sender: KybrSose@ao*.co* Date: 8/31/98 2:09 PM > >>In a message dated 8/31/98 1:03:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >>Rubrifolia@ao*.co* writes: >> >>> his is an intense activity.....thats one of its attractions.....but the >>ocean >>> is an implaccable force....it doesn't give a hoot about how many cards >you >>> have or how much money you dropped on them or your gear configurations, >if >>> its >>> macho or the latest in tech or DIR......DIR has to start with simply >doing >>> it.....and having the internal knowledge or sense or awareness of ones >own >>> ability level.... >> >> >>Yes, but............. >> >> We were discussing the paradigm of the student and the incompetent >>instructor. >> >> It would seem that there are at least some instructors that dont >>understand >>what they are doing. We both know they are out there, we see their students >>all the time. < ccard please? oh scuba network, you've had no formal >>training >>then> THe guy who paniced over the lost mask, was he trained correctly?? >>The guy who was cut out of a brand new northern diver dry suit after >blowing >>up on the Lizzie, becasue his instructor told him to close the exhaust >valve >>and never open it during the dive,< I saw the suit and heard the story at >>Raimo's>, did he receive quality instruction? who is at fault there?? >> >> If you dont know any better and no one else tells you your instructor is a >>moron, who should shoulder the burden of that, the student?? >> >>We know who the asshole instructors are, but we dont say anything, why?? >> >>Doesn't our silence implicate us in their suffering?? >> >>Al Marvelli aka KybrSose@ao*.co* >>-- >>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/trimix.html > > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/trimix.html -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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