Jan,
I tried talking  "nice" with Wrolf. His replies were polite, but he
continued adding more dangerous misdirection and obsfucation to the list
with each ensueing post, along with doing his best to "remake" George "in
his own image". George does not need to be "remade"  the way Wrolf wants him
to be. Period.

I also tried being polite with Tom Mount, but he does not get it. He has
been unwilling to wake up to his poor standardiztion as being the root of
mounting death tolls in IANTD dive accidents. Nice is too easy to ignore.

When people start dying, you don't have a mild mannered tea party---you have
war. You might not like war, but enough deaths demand full scale retaliation
against the perpetrators.

If you have not noticed, the tech list is embroiled in deaths on a scale
never seen before in diving. For years, behind the seen, "nice" , was
attempted. "Nice" has done very little. Ask the widows of John Claypool or
Mike Elkins  if they would like us to talk "NICE" to Tom Mount ( each was
killed by IANTD lack of standards, this allowing proceedures and gear
configurations by a "top" IANTD instructor, which ultimately caused the
death of these two men, this being obvious in the minds of anyone with a
shred of understanding in tech issues). Ask the family of Jane Orenstein,
who died a horrible death due to standards and negligent instructor
issues---would they like us to talk, "NICE"??? Ask Jane's boyfriend, Alan
Pelstring, who is on this list....Ask him where "nice" belongs.

 "Nice" is not for rapists, child molestors, murderers, or career
criminals---and it is not for the more  dangerous members of the tech diving
world either.

Dan Volker

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jan Faust [mailto:jan@se*.co*]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 2:14 PM
> To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> Subject: Fitness envy and more Wrolfing stupidity
>
>
> Dan Volker" <dlv@ga*.ne*> wrote:
>
> >Wrolf, you fucking moron
>
> Dan,
>
> I wonder if there is a moron in this situation.  I have not experienced
> Wrolf to be any kind of moron however, I have seen a lot of silly name
> calling.  George has a message, one which is very valid.  Still his
> delivery makes it difficult to hear.  Think about this, for your own
> purposes too, if you whisper does not the person to whom you speak listen
> more carefully?  When someone is yelling at you do you listen or formulate
> your defense?
>
>                                                          Me ;-)
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> If at first you don't succeed.  Cheer up!
> Columbus tried for seventeen years to
> get someone to finance his trip to the
> New World.
> Persistance is the key !!            -Jan
> http://www.searover.com/jan
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
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