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Billy, we have found that the "sources" are in fact fictional characters. Gilliam sent letters to my boss quoting "Bill Royal". Remember him? Billy, I really appreciate your clear rendering of this subject. Gilliam has gotten away with this behavior in the past because he used to dealing with pussies. This time he is obviously not. bdi wrote: > > At 10:44 PM 15/08/1998 -0400, Wrolf Courtney wrote: > >Katherine V. Irvine wrote: > >> > >> I have not seen this ( Gilliam's page, but will look into it), but I can > >> assure you that I stopped using any form of drugs, including alcohol, > >> many, many years ago > > > >Good show. > > > >Are you a former cocaine addict? > > > >> How about the people who are making the > >> accusations? Anyone care to comment. > > Yeah. I care to comment. > > Brett Guilliam gave professional advice to the fact that > running high pp02s on dives was perfectly acceptable. He > backed this statement up by setting a personal example, > along with his TDI cohorts, of deep air diving beyond 300 > ft. His pal Rob Palmer at least had the grace to correct > some of the damage, foolishness and misinformation spread > by this 'leadership' pool by dying on a deep air dive. > > When George pointed out the assinine stupidity of Brett's > position and Palmer's death, Brett Guilliam responded with > an article in Deep Tek magazine (available at all suspect > diving stores especially for purchase by TDI stooges, boat > monkeys with delusions of adequacy and anyone else dopey > enough to waste their money on four colour toilet paper) > in which he quoted an (unsurprisingly) anonymous diver who > claimed George had once had a cocaine addiction. Brett's > ham-fisted intent was to damage George's credibility and > thereby deflect the anti-deep air push - which could have > gained momentum and lifted the lid on the Palmer death > cover-up to reveal the real worms inside. > > You are now repeating these old, unsupported, and third- > hand character slurs with the same intent - to damage > George's reputation in order to undermine his credibility. > > What you left out of your post is the fact (and don't say > you weren't aware of it) that Brett has published articles > in which he boast of his heavy marijuana consumption and > frequent drinking. > > If you intended other than to damage George's reputation > you would have presented the whole of the information > available to you, including the above, - not just the > unsubstantiated cocaine story. > > It is telling that the only two figures who have ever given > credence to this story are on one hand an overweight, under- > smart, beer-drinking, deep air diving dope head, and on the > other hand, an habitual babbler who's previous two efforts > at slander ended up with belated apologies and, in the last > case, the whining excuse that you couldn't help what you > wrote because you were not in your right mind at the time due > to pain and medication. > > Wrolf. The fact that George may or may not have travelled > through the seventies and sniffed some of the flowers with > the rest of his generation has nothing to do with his > message about diving safety, culpable training agencies and > uneccesary deaths. > > That his message is entirely lost on you is evidenced by the > shit-heads you dive with and the pathetic ineptitude with > which you manage to fuck yourself over when you dive. > > However, your own incopmprehension notwithstanding, there > are many other people on these lists and elsewhere who > have the intelligence and the open-mindedness to benefit > from George's message. Your efforts to destroy his > credibility may in some way compromise that message. > > I gave you my "Incidents" directory in the expectation that > you would be able to follow the trail of death back to its > fundamental cause and understand that George is a most > necessary voice in fight against the greed, ignorance and > cynicism that pervades the technical diving training field, > and one agency in particular. But, you clearly don't have > the neurons to make the connection. > > Wrolf, I hope Anton does you. I hope he does you good. My > 'Wrolf' directory is available to him or anyone who wants > to nail you so that they are able to faithfully evidence > your every smear, innuendo, slight, blight and slander. > > You are screwing with something that is bigger than you > have the capacity to imagine or the intelligence to > understand. > > sincerely billyw > > > > >FEAR AND LOATHING ON THE INTERNET, by Bret Gilliam, > >http://www.tdiusa.com/articles/fear.html > >reprinted from Deep Tech Journal, 3rd Quarter 1997. > > > >The quote, from about a quarter of the way into the article, is: > >"Another prominent tech diver shared the opinion that "George is > >mentally unbalanced. As a reformed cocaine addict, he seems to want to > >give the impression that he is now religious. That's a joke. Look at > >what he writes. This guy has no sense of decency or moral perspective. > >He's like > >a mad dog attacking anyone who disagrees with him in some futile attempt > >at self-aggrandizement. He's incoherent." > > > >> I will not, but those who live in > >> South Florida, step on up and maybe you can tell us the real score here. > > > >To save everyone the trouble, I am not asking you whether you are > >a current cocaine user. I am asking you whether you are a reformed > >cocaine addicted, as reported by Brett Gilliam, quoting an anonymous > >figure. > > > >The answer would I expect from such a question would be one of the > >following: > > > >a) Yes. I am proud of my achievement, and have gone on to help others. > > > >b) Yes. This was one of the saddest and hardest episode of my lives, > >which included switching jobs, moving from New York to Florida to get > >away from that scene, leaving all my friends behind because I could not > >be with them without being with their drugs. But I have found faith in > >a higher power, and I am managing to move through life one day at a > >time. Please leave this as a private matter. I am not proud of the > >things we did back in the old days with expense accounts and OPM (other > >people's money), and I would like to move on. > > > >c) No. > > > >d) No, I have a full head of hair. > > > >e) My lawyer will be in contact with you shortly. On advise of > >counsel, I decline to answer that question. > > > >f) I decline to answer that question. I ask you not to ask it of > >others, so that those who are now or have been in the past in the grip > >of such an addiction, can still be offered the hope of a path to > >redemption and a new and fuller life. > > > >g) Spewing venomous anti-Semitic hate speech. > > > >h) Yes. > > > >Which one? No answer, or changing the subject, will give me a > >confirmation of h). Combining that with Brett Gilliam's report, is all > >I need for a journalistically responsible report of h), free of any > >moral, ethical, or U.S. legal concerns. > > > >Please let me know. If you e-mail me directly, rather than with copies > >to public forums such as techdiver, I will treat our correspondence as > >entirely private. > > > >> Perhaps you ( and Gilliam , if indeed he really said this) are > >> refering to the fact that I am a Director of the House of Hope, the > >> largest non-profit drug and alchohol rehab in this country. We also > >> treat AIDS patients, like my boy Heseltine's clinic, and we have other > >> sections for specific social problems, and operate under many State , > >> Local, and Federal Grants. > > > >Fantastic! It was Gilliam's speech, not mine, but I do not think the he > >was > >referring to you as a Director of the House of Hope. I think that he > >was > >referring to you (by anonymous quotation) as a reformed cocaine addict. > > > >> Perhaps you also think I am gay, have AIDS, > >> am homeless, or am a single mother with children in rehab? > > > >Nope. The gays already said they do not want you. I have no idea what > >your HIV status is, though I do not know of you fitting into any of the > >risk categories. You can afford a lawyer, so you should be able to > >afford a > >roof over your head until his bills start arriving (joke). I assume > >that Katherine Van Deusen Irvine is a real person, and that you are > >married (otherwise I am sure that your detractors in Florida > >correspondents > >would have been having a field day.) I assume that you have no children > >- or > >rather, I hope that you do not, for their sake. > > > >> Did he mention that I was a Stephen Minister at Christ Church following > >> two years of training in weekly three hour classsroom sessions to be > >> able to deal with all kinds of people's problems and get them the > >> available help they need? Would you know what to do with a drug addicted > >> pedophile whose wife is divorcing him? I do - I deal with shit like > >> that. > > > >Wow. Cool. > > > >Does your hatred for gays, drug users, Jews, divers who do not worship > >you, > >overweight people, or anyone else ever get in your way as a minister or > >pastoral counselor? > > > >> What do you do for the community, mister "Holocost" Liberal? You > >> obviously used the Book of Levi to wrap your schmuck in - go back and > >> read it again before you pull crap like this . > > > >I was completely unaware that you were an anti-Semite, until these last > >two e-mails. > > > >> It would be > >> typical that somebody like you to be involved with this "cause", and it > >> would be typical that you would be so desperate yourself as to think > >> that taking a shot at the "big guy" will somehow elevate your stature > >> from Village Idiot of Techdiver, to something higher up. > > > >No. What happened was I left the Village for a while, and came back to > >find that an Ogre had taken up residence. (I love fairy tales.) > > > >> Let me asure you it will not. People like me have an intensity and a > >> grip on life that those like you will never understand or feel. You > >> represent the worst in all of us, and seeing that causes the reaction of > >> loathing you get from me and others - it is a glimse into just how awful > >> it could be for any of us, and it scares me - just a minor shortage of > >> one chemical or another , and I could be just like you. > > > >Are you saying that you have Paranoid Personality Disorder > >(http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis/p20-pe01.html)? You can get help > >for this. Please see your family physician or a psychiatrist. > > > > > >-- > >Wrolf > > > >Wrolf's Wreck: http://www.concentric.net/~Wrolf > > > >"If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and the > >fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy > >to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence." > > > > -- U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, 1927 > >-- > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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