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bill a few questions & some points of knowledge for you-
first off what is wrong with your e-mail all od the & <div> and
whatever
other nonsensiclal inserts are making it very dificult to read your posts (is
it me or is it your server??)
now getting back to the unfortunate demise of Richard- he didn't need to run a
reel into the wreck since there were already 2 permanent lines there. i never
said nor implied that his penetration was any accomplishmnet at all. it was
just what he did. you & most cave divers miss the point- with wreck diving &
artifact recovery - that even if you ran a line you would probably have to put
it down at some point to dig & retrieve artifacts. you might clip it off to
yourself only to find that you have had to turn around three times to retrieve
something & be totaly wraped up in your line in the middle of a silt out, you
might tie it off to a spot & not be able to find it again anyway.
in richards case you are wrong the levels were not the same. & in order to get
out of the lounge he needed only to go right or left & then up. but he would
have known that if he came in that way or if he had been there before or if he
had more time.
but none of those were the case.
i don't know that he actually (at this point in time neither do you know for
certain)that he took any drug -dramamine or whatever. i do know that the day
this happened the ocean was flat calm & i would find it hard to believe that
he would have had to ingest much of any sea sickness drug(however some people
do get sick at the drop of a hat)to have the desired affects.
does dramamine have any effect on performance at depth?? i don't know I have
never used it but there are no studies on this to back your feelings(& that is
all they
are at this point).
think about this one (it's only a guess on my part).
you have someone over 100 feet into a wreck & he has lost the line that he
followd in. add to the fact that he has no real experience in that particular
wreck. now add the next link in the chain of events he manages to travel into
another level of the wreck totaly unfamiliar to him & has no immediatly
visable exit.
lets stop a minute here- at what point do you think he starts to get
excited & scared shitless. whaen do you think he starts to breath at an
excesive rate. maybe at a rate that causes him to hyperventalate.
now maybe if he took the damamine it has some effect- but don't you think it
is just possible that bcause the poor guy got lost he toxed on co2 or even o2
(his mix was a little rich) & that's all there is to it. he passed out & ran
out of gas unconcious.
now there is no place other than diver error to point the finger at - you can
call him stupid if you like for a lot of it but the bottom line is that he is
gone & he made a few too many mistakes. the most important on in my opinion
was:
he pushed himself to far to soon in gaining experience on the wreck. he
was actually not ready for the penetration he attempted.(could he have
accomplished it -yes but he would have been lucky) the underlying motivation
to this is greed to get something.
i am not degrading him for this - he did nothing more than many of us have
done at different times in our careers,this was the time the bear bit him.
BTW bill i am not saying you are totaly incorrect it's just that there are
other possibilities that result in the same ending.
hank
In a message dated 8/13/98 11:22:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
aquadart@ix*.ne*.co* writes:
<< Subj: Re: Richard Roost: Dead on the Doria (YOU WON'T BELIVE WHY!!)
Date: 8/13/98 11:22:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: aquadart@ix*.ne*.co* (Bill Bott)
To: GarlooEnt@ao*.co*, gzambeck@us*.ne*
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
<div>Hank,</div>
<div>If you follow my posts at all you know that I answer resonablequestions
with a reasonable reply. I have to admit that I can notput a percentage
on it. It may have been the sole reason. Butit also may have been
a contributing factor. I do know that Richardwas NOT runing a
line. He was also found in the main hallwayleading from the first class
lounge. I was of the impresion thatthe location he was found was on the
same level that he entered. Also following "lines" for about
100' before getting disorentedor lost is not what I would call any
acomplishment!! In fact Iwould call such a performance dismal at
best. But I do not knowthat is what happened.</div>
<div>Although I don't see any problem with penitrating solo, I have donesolo
wreck penitration well below 200', the fact that he did not have abuddy
present means that no living person KNOWS exactly whathappened. My bet
is that he blacked out then sucked his back gasdry. I doubt that he had
any idea that there was any thingwrong.</div>
<div>At 09:10 PM 8/13/98 , GarlooEnt@ao*.co*
wrote:</div><div>>bill</div><div>>i really don't wish to get
into the
middle of this pissingcontest. </div><div>>just a question.
</div><div>>if in fact richard used dramamine before the dive how much
ofthe results</div><div>>would you attribute to his
demise?</div><div>>he managed to aparently follow the lines about 100
ft
into thewreck get</div><div>>dissorientated & find his way though
to
another level that(by the way does</div><div>>not have an apparent
exit. at
which point he ran out of back gas(or
fell</div><div>>asleep??).</div><div>>this just a question
not a
statement.</div><div>>hank</div>
<x-html>Bill <aquadart> Bott
>>
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