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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 08:09:55 -0400
From: "Katherine V. Irvine" <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Organization: DIR
To: wrolf@co*.ne*
CC: ahall@di*.co*, cavers@ca*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Name That Lie, Re: tripple this Re: CONTINUOUS REBREATHER DEATHS was Re: Death was a Bigot
Wrolf, let me make it easy for you. The only drugs I have not used or
abused in my life are steroids ( only because I obviously never needed
them, and would have used them if I had needed them to compete), or
drugs that came into existence after I stopped using any . To put it
into perspective that even a dumb ass like you can understnad, this
means I have never had a wine cooler, or a "lite" beer. I am 47, you do
the math, and let me know if I am missing something by not being a
"player".

Your fat asshole buddy, Brett Gilliam, can not make the same statement,
and he in fact promotes the use and abuse of nitrogen in its narcotic
state in his personal diving and in the courses taught by his agency, in
my opinon and observation. He is correct in one statement he makes in
the article ( I still can not find the "cocaine" comment ) and that is
that I did in fact do a deep air dive with him. In fact, on that dive he
told me he played football at Dartmouth, only when I asked a question
about when I played against that same team , the subject changed to
something else. 

I no longer do deep air dives, I no longer dive with air anywhere other
than maybe in a place like Cozumel or Cayman, and then only shallow and
only becuase I can not get the correct gas. The fact is I know exactly
how dangerous deep air is, just as I now know exactly how dangerous
drugs of any kind are, having been there and done both to the extreme,
and now being in a position to deal with both in a prophalatic sense,
the very reason Gilliam is so obsessed with shuting me up: if the
insurance companies knew how dangerous deep air was, they would not
insure Gilliam's TDI courses, and with the track record of accidents
involving this and other agencies, it will not be much longer that they
are able to get insurance , with or without my comments.

 Gilliam, like you , has only accomplished drawing more attention to the
problem, and giving ME more power to deal with it. Thanks to Gilliam, I
have a perpetual stack of requests to speak at all kinds of diving
forums. The only one I have accepted lately is for Timothy O'Leary at
Tek before DEMA in New Orleans, and only because O'Leary asked as a
personal favor. O'Leary, himself a former deep air player, runs NAUI
Tech Ops. He was just worried that I would get into an argument with Hal
Watts. Not so, in fact Hal was diving with us at Wakulla this weekend,
and Bill Mee stayed at his house. Go figure.

Like you , Gilliam is bent on pursuing a vendetta through any means
possible, and the reality is that I think of him the same way I think of
you - insignificant in your own right, but a representation of the
problem out there - misinformation, stupidity, and twisted bullshit,
like your "anti-Semite" comment. Ask the 20 or so Jews on my team how
anti-semitic I am. You are the one who somehow sees yourself as a "child
of the Holocast" as you put it, that you have no stake in, yet feel the
need to invoke like the Cross to the Vampire everytime somebody rightly
accuses you of being a piece of shit, which you have proven you are.

 Maybe you can speak to my uncle, Lawrence Frank, who spent some quality
time in a Nazi concentration camp in Poland before he was freed by the
Russian tanks and fought with the Russian army across Germany into
Berlin. Give him a call , asshole, talk to a real life tough guy who at
his age would still get his his car, drive to your house, and beat you
senseless for the kind of crap you are putting out here, and the
pathetic shield you are hiding behind.

The problem with people like you is that you have a tiny bit of
information, no real experience, an active immagination, and a massive,
well deserved, inferiority complex. You can not shut up, and like a
yippy little lapdog jumping ,barking and humping legs for attention you
feel the need to bother people like me and jerk us around. I feel no
obligation to accomodate your idiotic suggestions as far as diving goes,
and will continue to treat you and your pals with the contempt that you
have earned. No amount of changing the subject, misdirection,
accusations, or other bullshit will change the basic fact that I have
the best track record in the sport, I run the most successful and
innovative dive project ever, I am on the leading edge of real technique
and gear development, I know what I am talking about, I have the records
to prove it,  and I am willing to freely give that information out to
anyone who wants it. I have tapes, articles, reports , stories, maps ,
etc, and it is all on our web site for freeloading vagrants like you to
download and enjoy. However, I am not willing to argue the "perversions"
of that with you , or with anyone else. 

 Until somebody does it better, and that is not happening, I do not want
to hear your "opinion" of how it should be "modified". I am primarily an
ocean and wreck diver, cave is secondary, so do not even get started on
that score.

 Drop the personal bullshit, and let's see if you , or any of your
pathetic allies can stand in here and argue with me on any subject of
diving and come out looking anything but absolutely ridiculous. Bring it
on, wimp. And by the way, of the 129 Inspirations sold, do you want to
bet with me that at least fifty had some electronic "problem" at some
point, or are you again just showing that not only do you have no
understanding of rebreathers ( a device you do not now nor ever will
own), but that you are in fact cluelessly out of the loop on anything to
do with reality in any form? Ask Martin Parker, if he will even
acknowledge you ever again, before you call me a "liar".
 
  
Wrolf Courtney wrote:
> 
> Katherine V. Irvine wrote:
> >
> > I have not seen this ( Gilliam's page, but will look into it), but I can
> > assure you that I stopped using any form of drugs, including alcohol,
> > many, many years ago.
> 
>etc.........


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