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Wow! Talk about what's wrong with the Internet as a communications =
medium! =
I write one post trying to find more about people such as the WKPP, what =
DIR is, (Absolutely NOTHING negative - I didn't know anything about them) =
and offer to help pull information into a useful content while suggesting (=
and rather politely) that bashing is probably not the best way to get =
people to see your point...
I write a second post asking for feedback on the idea of a manifold that =
whistles underwater when the valve is turned (rolled) off. It was just a =
suggestion cause I am an engineer and I like to invent stuff
And BOOM! I read crap like:
>>>>If Hanzel wants to disagree with George's taste in music---fine---he =
has the
>right, and this disagreement will "kill" no one. When George/WKPP and DIR
>diving say with absolute certainty, that a certain practice ( say, =
stuffing
>the long hose, or using tanks with no markings ) is WRONG, for Hanzel or
>Wrolf to "argue" with this, and demand proof, is tantamount to =
threatening
>the safety of any who listens to them. Neither of these individuals has =
ANY
>skill level allowing them to place their ideas on Equal footing with DIR
>philosophy. Yet by the intensity with which they argue, they can =
effectively
>destroy the potential DIR has to save lives<<<
What the hell is Volker talking about??? Wrong taco paco! Next time you =
want to flame someone, I suggest you get off your fat ass and make damn =
sure you have the right flamee! I mean, this really pisses me off! Who the =
hell are you to drag me into your ego trip? Christ, I mean, I admitted I =
was a 'newbie' to tech diving and I only wanted some suggestions and maybe =
make some contacts. Now my good name has been dragged through your mud. =
For the record - I have, since my first post asking about the WKPP and DIR,=
researched it and find DIR to make perfect sense. I have never (not ONCE!)=
made a single negative comment about any tech method because I would be =
the first to admit that I am not qualified to make those judgments. I =
have also NEVER demanded anything from anyone! And though I don't demand =
it, if Volker had any shred of decency in his body he would offer a public =
apology to me for his misplaced slanderous remarks!
John Hanzl
(JohnnyH)
jhanzl@ra*.co*
Dan Volker wrote: =
>
>
>In the science fiction movie classic, "DUNE", the Fremen said of Paul
>Mahdib, " He can kill with a word or a thought".
>
>In technical diving, today, catastrophically dangerous gear =
configurations
>and procedures are accepted by many, standardized by some, and those who
>step forth on the tech list, supporting these dangerous notions, arguing
>against the face of logic and exposure proven DIR (Doing it Right)
>practices, bring the exaggerations of science fiction to real life...and
>death.
>
>The Wrolf Courtneys and John Hanzels out there, have the potential to "=
kill"
>with their ideas. They argue repeatedly with the most basic and well =
proven
>DIR concepts, and by the volume and intensity of their arguments and
>questionings, they bring confusion and uncertainty to issues which have =
been
>settled previously, and which by implementation, would enjoy pervasive
>life saving functions. With each successive denial of DIR credos by the
>Hanzels and Wrolfs out there, they forestall the process of =
implementation
>in the "learning stage technical divers", and justify the unsafe =
practices
>of the past which we are now trying to do away with.
>
>This is NOT about a "Right to free speech". Its about the "power" of =
certain
>types of ideas.
>If Hanzel wants to disagree with George's taste in music---fine---he has =
the
>right, and this disagreement will "kill" no one. When George/WKPP and DIR
>diving say with absolute certainty, that a certain practice ( say, =
stuffing
>the long hose, or using tanks with no markings ) is WRONG, for Hanzel or
>Wrolf to "argue" with this, and demand proof, is tantamount to =
threatening
>the safety of any who listens to them. Neither of these individuals has =
ANY
>skill level allowing them to place their ideas on Equal footing with DIR
>philosophy. Yet by the intensity with which they argue, they can =
effectively
>destroy the potential DIR has to save lives. By their "demanding" of =
proof,
>for each DIR practice or configuration, they slow the acceptance, and =
raise
>enough doubt in the mind of the novice, to prevent immediate adoption of =
a
>practice that would save their life.
>
>Yes we all have a right to free speech. But when those of us who are =
without
>knowledge ( i.e., Wrolf, Hanzel, et al ) , argue publicly against those =
who
>do---on issues in which life or death will most certainly result, the
>"Right" to public free speech can allow an errant individual to commit =
what
>is in reality, a CRIME against the technical diving community. Rapid
>adoption of DIR would save lives. For the novice with intellectual =
pretense,
>to attack basic DIR implementation, using only his sense of "apriori
>knowledge", behavior like this must be seen as contributory to future
>deaths, and constant sanctions on them, by the "skilled" divers in the
>group, MUST answer this irresponsible behavior.
>
>If you were in a group of 20 persons, huddled under cover, as terrorists
>sprayed gunfire above your heads, how would you feel about a moron next =
to
>you, urging the group to stand up, out of cover, and run away----and you
>knowing full well this would put all in the line of fire, causing members =
of
>your group to die immediately.....would you defend this moron's right to
>express his opinion???
>With the tremendous increase in technical diving deaths we are now facing,=
>we are facing the equivalent of this gunfire over our heads. When Hanzel, =
or
>Wrolf, or even Gilliam speaks up, and claims sticking your head up is
>"safe", someone needs to smack them silly, and shut the morons up before
>they get someone killed.
>As you may have noticed, there are some "watchdogs" in this Internet
>community, that are doing just that. I for one, appreciate their efforts.
>
>Regards,
>Dan Volker
>
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>From: "Dan Volker" <dlv@ga*.ne*>
>To: "'Tech Diver'" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>, "'cavers'" <cavers@ge*.co*>
>Cc: "'Bill Mee'" <wwm@sa*.ne*>
>Subject: "Dangerous on the Net".
>Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:26:00 -0400
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