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From: Todd Leonard <toddl@in*.co*>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:01:37 -0400 (EDT)
To: cavers@ca*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Captains Dozen Plus
Jammer, I agree with a small part of what you're saying, but
disagree completely with the conclusions you're reaching.

First of all, I'm not very fond of self-appointed babysitters
telling me what to do and what not to do.  In particular, I
am adamently opposed to significant governmental restrictions
on which risks *to myself* I chose to take and which I do not 
choose to take.

But that's not the point here.

All that's being suggested is that individuals, namely the
boat captains, refuse to participate in the rash of needless 
death that's happening right in front of their eyes.  It's a
call for them to recognize the patterns in these fatalities
that should be so painfully apparent by now, and for them to
realize that there are a few simple things that can be done
to *significantly* reduce risk to those around them.  It's a
call for them to recognize that willful avoidance of these
safety techniques is not an attractive trait in a diver, and 
that catering to such divers is not a sound business practice 
in the long run.

The bottom line is that the boat captains are in a position 
to exert a positive influence on the behavior going on around 
them, and whether they choose to do so or not reveals much 
about their character.  Should they be "responsible" in the
legal sense?  That's a whole different argument.

- Todd

p.s. The conversation about safety needs to start much earlier 
     than the morning of the dive -- "You're interested in 
     diving off my boat for the first time?  Great, let me fax 
     you a copy of the itinerary, information about the dive 
     sites, and the boat rules.  No food below deck, no puking
     upwind, and no diving like a complete idiot."



Jammer Six wrote:
> 
> The diver is responsible for his dive, no one else.
> 
> No one else is responsible for his fill, his fumbling, his problems, his
> experience, or what happens to him once he drops below the surface.
> 
> When a diver with 13 dives shows up for a dive on the Doria, with a brand
> new set of doubles that are half full, puts his regulator on backwards,
> takes it off, puts it on right, and then steps forward to dive, what
> should the Captain do?
> 
> Let him dive, let him die.

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