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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 19:00:40 -0400
From: "Katherine V. Irvine" <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Organization: DIR
To: RMC <halcyon@ha*.ne*>
CC: Martin J Parker <mjp@ap*.av*.co*.uk*>, scatsta@mc*.co*,
     rebreather@nw*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com, cavers@ca*.co*
Subject: DEAD ON REBREATHER AGAIN WAS Re: RB TREND-CURE was (Death was a Bigot)
Again, none of you want to recognize that diving is NOT high risk
behavior. We DO NOT have to die. I do things you guys can't immagine
every time I get in the water, and never get close to dying. I don't
even get cold or hungry, let alone die. On the other hand, you can't
make it out of the barn door without killing somebody out of sheer
stupidity, ignorance, arrogance, and inability to learn from the past.

You electronic wizzards forget that these are real people, and that the
families grieve and obsess on this for years. I was getting calls from
Penny Turner for two years after Parker died, and JJ was gettting calls
from Sherwood's fiance and mother for three years. They just could not
understand , they wanted to take the horror of their loved ones drowning
out of their nightmares - the nightmares that YOU , and the rest of you
blithering idiots are causing.

How many more are you dumb asses going to kill before you admit you are
wrong, you have no clue, you copied each others' stupidity, and you bet
a huge wad of money trying to be a bunch of big shots. You are all
extreme pussies for not having the balls to do what is right. 


RMC wrote:
> 
> Look, the rebreather will be fine, if found. The problem is that the diver's
> are dead, we cannot fix that, but we certainly should move to prevent this
> from continuing at greater than Electrolung pace.
> 
> A few questions for Walter Starck:
> 
> How long was the traininig program for your machines?
> 
> Did you accept any one and everyone with cash into the program?
> 
> Did you allow units to be delivered without training?
> 
> How many second hand instructors where allowed in the first year or two?
> 
> If you had it to do over again, what would you change aside from any design
> issues?
> 
> Questions for Martin Parker:
> 
> How many instructors are allowed to teach the INSPIRATION and what
> qualifications where allegedly required to achieve this status?
> 
> How many of those are under the immediate supervision of your operation?
> 
> Of the three fatalities (and 2 near strikes), how many where trained
> directly by Dave Thompson or where any two or more trained by the same
> instructor?
> 
> Do you detect a trend related to training?
> 
> As I understand it, you have no concern about lawsuits, so I presume you are
> at liberty to discuss these issue's.
> 
> Aside from simple respect for humanity, my intentions are to insure we have
> the fundemental assets available to our industry which are required to grow
> this NEW area of our sport. Funding is not possible without insurance,
> insurance does not look good given our underwriters are in your backyard
> reading your newspapers and not having any clue as to why my operating
> system and trainign program varies significantly from others. To top this
> off the stage is already set in several staeside suits involving other
> systems/trainers. The HALCYON as well as other valid contenders, will be
> painted with the same brush of "REBREATHER-UNACCEPTABLE RISK". The
> alternative is to show that as a group we have learned and changed without
> delay.
> 
> Whatever you want to call the problem I do not care. The fact is a cure is
> required-immediately.
> 
> RMC
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scatsta <scatsta@mc*.co*>
> To: RLatulip@ao*.co* <RLatulip@ao*.co*>
> Cc: will@tr*.co* <will@tr*.co*>; heseltine@ea*.ne*
> <heseltine@ea*.ne*>; kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*>;
> cavers@ca*.co* <cavers@ca*.co*>; techdiver@aquanaut.com
> <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; rebreather@nw*.co*
> <rebreather@nw*.co*>; heyydude@pi*.co* <heyydude@pi*.co*>
> Date: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 7:26 AM
> Subject: Re: Death was a Bigot
> 
> >RLatulip@ao*.co* wrote:
> >
> >>snip<
> >>I do however mind when you attempt to tell me that it is perfect and
> >> electronics never fail.  I bet that the last two divers to die on a
> rebreather
> >> thought the same thing. >snip<
> >
> >Er, have I missed something here? I pressume you are refering to the
> >Inspiration accidents. The units from the last two fatalities have not
> >been recovered so we can't say that the electronics failed.
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Kevin Pickering
> >kevpix@gl*.co*.uk*
> >


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